Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[bluetick]

$2.79 unleaded at Kroger!!! ( if you use yer Kroger Plus card!)

Obama...you magnificent bastard...you got your countrymen to lower the price of arab crude just in time for everybody to go to Disneyworld.

[Big Orange Junky]

So let me get this straight. The Chief Justice has admitted to being intimidated by a threat from the President and what the liberal media would say about him.

The same guy that was caught on tape saying "that's not true" when Oprama was lying about the court in the State of the Union Address.

He admitted to making an awful ruling that had nothing to do with the question before the court (remember it was the commerce clause not a "tax" because even now Oprama and his administration refuse to call it a tax) just because he was intimidated.

That is not a leader. That is a weiner that deserves to be stripped of his position. Leaders make the right decision regardless of what people may or may not say. He was more worried about what Oprama and the media would say than whether or not the law was really a good law or whether or not it was constitutional.

Unbelievable.

Yes this was infact an "activist court" and this was legislating from the bench. Same as it was with the Arizona law. I knew when that came out that they didn't have the backbone to stand up to Oprama. Whether they are scared they will be found in Lake Michigan with concrete shoes or whatever but I knew they didn't have the guts to do the right thing when the Arizona ruling came about.

On a side note, get used to not having private insurance and not seeing a doctor. Even the doctors in favor of the law have written that this is major for doctors because unless they are willing to trade "steep cuts in reimbursement for high volume" then they will be left behind. That's also why Oprama is threatening to veto the latest military funding because it doesn't include a steep increase in the copay and deductables for Tricare (gotta make it more expensive to have Tricare than Obamacare in order to drive people to the single payer system he has designed).

And make no mistake, that is what this is designed to do. Single payer all the way. It's cheaper to pay the "penalty" now rewritten by the SCOTUS to be a "tax" than to pay for insuring your employees or even your private insurance premium.

[sardis]

Sardis, I think what you're really saying is islamic animus towards us is more widespread than some let on.

I remember you raising the same concern when we freed the oppressed islamic peoples of Iraq.

Or do I..? Check the tape, somebody..

At that time it was thought that there was a significant number of nonmilitant peace loving Muslims to maintain a free democratic government. We were proven wrong. The moderate Muslim is in the vast minority in this world.

[Op Ed]

At that time it was thought that there was a significant number of nonmilitant peace loving Muslims to maintain a free democratic government. We were proven wrong. The moderate Muslim is in the vast minority in this world.

That, or our government likes arming the more fanatical Muslims.

[hedge]

"The same guy that was caught on tape saying "that's not true" when Oprama was lying about the court in the State of the Union Address."

That was Alito, not Roberts...

[Professor Tiger]

I have a friend from Jordan. Before the Gulf War, he told me the LAST thing America should want in the Middle East is democracy. He said if there was ever democracy in the Middle East, and the average Arab in the street ever has his views reflected in his government policy, the region would turn into twenty Iran's.

[Big Orange Junky]

"The same guy that was caught on tape saying "that's not true" when Oprama was lying about the court in the State of the Union Address."

That was Alito, not Roberts...

My mistake. Should have known Roberts wouldn't have had the guts to even mouth that.

[bluetick]

You can hate on Roberts all you want for his decision, but to say he's gutless is pure bs. That guy needs a wheelbarrow to hold those stones of his.

[Professor Tiger]

If Roberts based his ruling on the fear that SCOTUS was being perceived as too "partisan" (i.e. conservative), then he is the only one on the court who has such tender sensibilities. The liberals on the court don't have any such concerns. They know what they are about - to use their office to impose as much liberalism on America as possible.

10 years from now, does anybody think Chief Justice Kagan or Justice Sotomayor would spend five minutes worrying about their court being too liberal? Of course not. They will ban firearms and have Rush Limbaugh imprisoned for hate speech and require Catholic bishops to perform partial birth abortions, and then sleep like babies at night.

[bluetick]

Eurozone Unemployment Hits New Record in May - Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/02 ... rd-in-may/

at 11.1% the highest percentage since the Eurozone was created in 1999, whose start coincided with Kenyan-expat and community organizer Barack Obama's acceptance of political donations from Tony Rezko to campaign for the Illinois State Senate

[Big Orange Junky]

Tick he is spineless and the statements of not wanting to have bad things said about the court plus the fact that he cowtowed to a threat by the president proves it.

He doesn't have the guts to stand up for right in the face of criticism and threats because he gets his wittle peeliwins hurt.

Sometimes you have to do what's right and stand up to detractors.

He didn't have the guts to do so. He isn't a leader, he's a wimp and needs to have his position stripped from him.

[Jungle Rat]

Heh

[bluetick]

Sometimes you have to do what's right and stand up to detractors.

Screw that. Take demoney, run, and get on deplane.

[bluetick]

I'll be here all week.

[Big Orange Junky]

I will add in that is only IF these articles about him being more concerned with the reputation of the SCOTUS than the actual wellbeing of the US are true, which by all accounts they are.

Look this thing will help me tremendously. All of you in the peanut gallery trying to tell me how much cash I was going to make as a private practice surgeon are way wrong. Heck I am making even less than I anticipated.

Here I am as a surgeon, doing over 2000 cases per year and I am on track to make 60-120 grand this year before taxes and I work 100 hours per week and more many weeks. This is my second year in practice and I haven't taken a vacation. The most has been 2 days off to go to Illinois and to travel to take my boards.

One reason is the large number of poor and uninsured people I deal with. I don't turn anyone away and the last month I have been running at close to 70% self pay (uninsured and this usually means "no pay" because they have been told by the liberal media it's OK not to pay the doctors). Add in the fact that the majority of the rest are medicare (charity rates) and I have very few with BCBS or some other good insurance and you can see how this would help me. Heck I bet my income would double just because of all the uninsured I see (illegals and such) that go from nothing to at least half what it was worth. The rest of the reasons are the gubment regs designed to kill private practice making overhead much more than it used to be to stay "certified" by them.

But I am the one that CHOSE to come to a small hospital. I knew I wouldn't make as much in a hospital like this when I came here so I'm not surprised.
That doesn't change the fact that this "healthcare" legislation was wrong, even if it does help my bottom line becaue I got into this to help PATIENTS, and they are the ones that will suffer with this legislation. Nobody will get to keep their good insurance and I will have to fight tooth and nail to get the needed things for EVERYONE instead of just the ones with gubment healthcare like now (cause we all will have gubment healthcare within 5-10 years and they just refuse to pay for needed procedures).

[bluetick]

You are where you need to be, BOJ. Doing the Lord's work - caring for all those ne'er-do-wells with their liberal-media instructions on how to beat you out of a doctor's bill. And with nary a complaint. You are one for the books, sir.

I am a little cornfused, though. You say you rarely get to fix anybody who has good insurance (like the company I represent)...yet you lament how this new legislation will stop people from keeping their good insurance. That you just said they didn't have in the first place..

[Big Orange Junky]

Why would that confuse you? It's not about ME, it's about the majority of the people.

Sure where I am is a small hospital with a very high uninsured population but in other areas they do not have nearly as bad a payor mix.

And no, you haven't heard me complain about anything except the dang gubment interfering, that's about it.

It may confuse you that I am thinking more about the good of the US than about my personal gain, but for me it was better that it passed.

As far as them beating me out of something, I never expected payment from most of them to begin with as they have been conditioned over the years to pay the doctor bills last and only if they have anything left over. That's the liberal way. I

But they can't beat me out of something I didn't expect to get in the first place. I take care of them cause they need it not because I expect to get anything from them. If I get something from them it's a bonus. I think I have had 3 that actually paid in my first year. Otherwise nada. The only thing I am out is my time and sleep, oh yeah and the malpractice risk that doesn't deminish just because I don't get paid to see them.

So yes, it would help me out alot financially if they all had some kind of insurance, even if it only paid 25% of what it's worth. Still doesn't make it right just like it would help me out time wise and sleep wise to refuse to see uninsured patients, but that wouldn't be right either so I will always hapily see uninsured patients. It's part of my duty as a Christian and a physician. Another problem with that 25% for everyone is before long 25% of what it's worth would be the going rate due to the pressures imposed by the gubment and that wouldn't be right either.

[THE_WIZARD_]

BOJ...you are correct about this basically creating a defacto "single-payer" system...but far more troubling is (and this is according to many doctor friends that I know...so they see what is ACTUALLY going to happen like you) the creatioin of a two tiered care system...An Upper Tier of care for the wealthy who can afford the best doctors and will have care on demand...and a lower tier of everyone else...where the system will be overrun with millions of new doctor visits and no infrastructure to handle it. We can't handle what we have NOW. If you want to know what the "lower tiered" care will be like...look no further than the VA system. I know many veterans who wait anywhere from 6 months to several YEARS to get operations that they desperately need...and much of the care they receive is second rate. That is what OBAMACARE will be. Rationed care. Long waits. Less than expected levels of care. I know several doctors who plan on leaving the industry early if this goes on as written. They are willing to retire on what they have already rather than deal with this bullshit.

Congrats libs. We are now Europe starting in 2014.

[Jungle Rat]

STFU

[puterbac]

Hell I told you all this when the debate it was going on. The law as written is designed to have companies dump insuranceandput employees on the dole.

The whole, "if you like it you can keep it" was bs when he said it and it is still bs now. My company pays around 11k andipay about 3k. They get to deduct it so say they actually pay 8k. Well the fine is only 2k. They can save 6k by dropping coverage. Or pay me another 2k and still save 4k per employee. It is designed to fail.

The costs of the program will sky rocket 10 fold over what they estimate as they of course underestimated the number of people who would be in the exchanges. It's a liberal wet dream. Millions demanding govt pay for them. In the end wiz is correct. It's a path to single payer with severes rationing and a two tiered system just like the uk.