Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Professor Tiger]

trending up, trending down, LOL...

[bluetick]

"Let's make no mistake about it right now: increasing THIS debt ceiling? This is George W. Bush and the Republican Party's debt.

Five years from now? It's Barack Obama's. But right now, this is what happens when you spend the type of money you spent from 2001 to 2009... This is what we have been led to in 2011. This is George W. Bush's debt. You can't just put this on Barack Obama."
-Joe Scarborough, 7/12/2011, Conservative Analyst and former Repubican Congressman (FL)

Borrow, spend, and cut revenue....sounds as futile as your "buy high/sell low" strategies.

Look at your own graph and you'll see dubya doubled the debt from $5 trillion to $10 tril. Yet you never made a peep about that...funny how that works.

[Professor Tiger]

-Joe Scarborough, 7/12/2011, Conservative Analyst and former Repubican Congressman (FL) on MSNBC

TFIFY

Joe has been in NYC and on MSNBC long enough he is now probably a vegetarian and drives a prius.

[hedge]

Both of those behaviors would befit anyone who is truly conservative...

[bluetick]

Scarborough is conservative, but he's intelligent and he's fair. He's a throwback to the GOP before the Birchers and teabaggers and Palinistas poured in.

I'd call him a Howard Baker-style republican.

[Hacksaw]

...so, basically a dem.

Let's recap the ring-kissers' logic here.

1. Everything Obama has done can be blamed on George W. Bush.

2. Anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist.

That about sums it up.

[Hacksaw]

Unlike the 2,000-Death Count in Iraq, ABC, NBC, PBS, MSNBC Skip 2,000 Marker in Afghanistan

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham ... r-afghanis

9:1

[Professor Tiger]

Back when he was a congressman, Scarborough supported all the things that the Tea Party supports today:

Scarborough was one of a group of about 40 freshmen Republican legislators who dubbed themselves the "New Federalists" after the Federalist Papers. Scarborough was elected Political Director of the incoming legislators. The New Federalists called for sweeping cuts in the U.S. government, including plans to "privatize, localize, consolidate, [or] eliminate"[10] the Departments of Commerce, Education, Energy and Housing and Urban Development, but were largely unsuccessful in their goals.

While in Congress, Scarborough received a number of awards, including the "Friend of the Taxpayer Award" from Americans for Tax Reform; the "Guardian of Small Business Award" from the National Federation of Independent Business; the "Spirit of Enterprise Award" from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; the "Taxpayer's Hero Award" from the Citizens Against Government Waste

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Scarborough

You mentioned the Birchers that are supposedly flowing into the GOP. One of the Birchers' biggest goals was to get the US out of the UN. Scarborough supported that too, back when he still ate meat and drove a pickup truck:

Scarborough sponsored a bill to force the U.S. to withdraw from the United Nations after a four-year transition

ibid

[Jungle Rat]

...so, basically a dem.

Let's recap the ring-kissers' logic here.

1. Everything Obama has done can be blamed on George W. Bush.

2. Anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist.

That about sums it up.

I don't blame GWB for the past year & a half. I blame Republicans. If you can't admit Obama was handed a turd when he walked in office though you are a fool.

[Professor Tiger]

Peggy Noonan (or, as I consider her, the unofficial Mrs. George Will) summarizes it well:

Republicans obsess on [Obama's] eloquence because it allows them to pretend they lost in 2008 because the American people were gulled by pretty words. The truth is he won because he seemed the furthest thing possible from the Republicans who'd presided over two unwon wars and the great recession.

With just more than 130 days to go, Mr. Romney has to start pulling from his brain and soul a coherent and graspable sense of the meaning of his run. "I will be president for this reason and this. I will move for this and this. The philosophy that impels me consists of these things." Only when he does this will he show that he actually does have a larger purpose, and only then will people really turn toward him. He has to tell Americans why they can believe him, why a nation saturated with politics, chronically disappointed by its leaders, and tired of promises can, actually, put some faith in him.

The president has wrestled for the past six months with themes. He's jumped from one to another. They are:

It's not so bad—this indicator is up, and that one.

OK, it's bad, but it could have been worse—my actions kept us from tanking.

It's bad, but it's Bush's fault.

It's bad, but it's the congressional Republicans' fault.

I have made it less bad, and I need more time to make it even less badder.

Rich people have fancy cars and car elevators, I stand for jalopies and street parking.

None of it has worked.

What does it say of a crisis presidency at a dramatic moment that a president can't make the case for his own re-election, can't find his own meaning?

It says the other guy can win—if he has meaning. And isn't just a handsome stranger who says, "I'm not the last guy, I'm not the guy you don't like."

That won't do this year.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 56184.html

[Hacksaw]

...so, basically a dem.

Let's recap the ring-kissers' logic here.

1. Everything Obama has done can be blamed on George W. Bush.

2. Anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist.

That about sums it up.

I don't blame GWB for the past year & a half. I blame Republicans. If you can't admit Obama was handed a turd when he walked in office though you are a fool.

Heh...there's that unaffiliated guy who is not interested in politics, once again slamming the Republican and defending the dem.

[bluetick]

The real, unvarnished pnn truth regarding George W. Bush:

GWB has been out of office three and a half years, therefore none of his actions or policies as president are of consequence any longer. Whatever he wrought has been put through the rinse cycle, or evaporated like the morning dew.

OTOH,

It is the systematic abuse GWB suffered from media types, pundits, and funnymen that will have lasting effects for years to come. The mocking, the unflattering rewinds and rebroadcasts, the irreverance...that's the real tragic legacy of the man they call 'W'. That's the stain that won't come out....not that other stuff (like Iraq).

[bluetick]

Peggy Noonan (or, as I consider her, the unofficial Mrs. George Will) summarizes it well:

Republicans obsess on [Obama's] eloquence because it allows them to pretend they lost in 2008 because the American people were gulled by pretty words. The truth is he won because he seemed the furthest thing possible from the Republicans who'd presided over two unwon wars and the great recession.

With just more than 130 days to go, Mr. Romney has to start pulling from his brain and soul a coherent and graspable sense of the meaning of his run. "I will be president for this reason and this. I will move for this and this. The philosophy that impels me consists of these things." Only when he does this will he show that he actually does have a larger purpose, and only then will people really turn toward him. He has to tell Americans why they can believe him, why a nation saturated with politics, chronically disappointed by its leaders, and tired of promises can, actually, put some faith in him.

The president has wrestled for the past six months with themes. He's jumped from one to another. They are:

It's not so bad—this indicator is up, and that one.

OK, it's bad, but it could have been worse—my actions kept us from tanking.

It's bad, but it's Bush's fault.

It's bad, but it's the congressional Republicans' fault.

I have made it less bad, and I need more time to make it even less badder.

Rich people have fancy cars and car elevators, I stand for jalopies and street parking.

None of it has worked.

What does it say of a crisis presidency at a dramatic moment that a president can't make the case for his own re-election, can't find his own meaning?

It says the other guy can win—if he has meaning. And isn't just a handsome stranger who says, "I'm not the last guy, I'm not the guy you don't like."

That won't do this year.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 56184.html

Another even-keeled republican with a lick of sense. Two in one day...hey!

[Toemeesleather]

I welcome Birchers and teabaggers all day over enviro/communist/progressive/capitalist hating lefties.

[Toemeesleather]

Here's the intellectuals at the White House...

[bluetick]

lol. Rest assured there are no intellectuals in that picture.

sitting, standing, hanging

[Jungle Rat]

...so, basically a dem.

Let's recap the ring-kissers' logic here.

1. Everything Obama has done can be blamed on George W. Bush.

2. Anyone who criticizes Obama is a racist.

That about sums it up.

I don't blame GWB for the past year & a half. I blame Republicans. If you can't admit Obama was handed a turd when he walked in office though you are a fool.

Heh...there's that unaffiliated guy who is not interested in politics, once again slamming the Republican and defending the dem.

Yet you avoided my comment about being a fool. Hack. I get politics. I read the paper front to back. First the Local section then the sports page. I browse the Front Page section though. Besides the National news, I could give a shit.

[Professor Tiger]

Here's the intellectuals at the White House...

Who is that intellectual? She looks like an uberliberal lesbian college professor I know.

[Toemeesleather]

Exactly!!lll


Rumor/hearsay/innuendo of what Tea Partiers say about congresspersons run for days in the MSM, but a gay progressive caught on film can't stir a heartbeat.

[Professor Tiger]

I might e-mail that pic to her and inform her that she has risen to the lofty heights of pnn.