Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread
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Zut allurs!!!! Viva la socialiste braviteurs!
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bluetick wrote:In other (discernible) news:
U.S. Builder Confidence Ticks Up to 5-Year High
Washington (AP) - Confidence among U S builders ticked up last month to a five-year high, an indication that the housing market is slowly improving.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 12b48f99ef
And yet the Today show leads with child abuse/Sandusky....I knew the damn media hated O'bammer!!
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These people should be shot for releasing this kind of info. Makes it that much harder to do in the future.
U.S., Israel developed Flame computer virus to slow Iranian nuclear efforts, officials say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... print.html
U.S., Israel developed Flame computer virus to slow Iranian nuclear efforts, officials say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... print.html
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Like you didn't already know that when it first happened? C'mon now.
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Obama did not save Detroit
June 18, 2012
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Conn Carroll
Senior Editorial Writer
The Washington Examiner
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-did ... le/1355336
“When my opponents and others were arguing that we should let Detroit go bankrupt,” President Obama said in Cleveland Thursday, “we made a bet on American workers and today our auto industry is back on top of the world.”
This is true. Obama’s opponents, including Mitt Romney, did argue that General Motors and Chrysler should go bankrupt. But what Obama consistently leaves out of the story is that he did, in fact, let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt.
He just did so in a way that violated every fundamental principle of America’s bankruptcy code, undermined the rule of law, and cost taxpayers an extra $26.5 billion.
Bankruptcy expert and George Mason University Law School professor Todd Zywicki and Heritage Foundation labor expert James Sherk exposed the truth this week in their new paper: “Auto Bailout or UAW Bailout? Taxpayer Losses Came from Subsidizing Union Compensation.”
President Bush initiated the auto bailout in 2008 when he diverted parts of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to GM and Chrysler to keep them running through the first several months of the Obama presidency.
In exchange for an eventual $80 billion total in bailout funds, the Obama administration forced both Chrysler and General Motors into bankruptcy. Both firms ceased to exist as they had for decades, and then “sold” all of their assets to new “General Motors” and “Chrysler” companies.
In a normal bankruptcy process, a bankruptcy court has a number of powers at its disposal to ensure that: 1)the emerging companies are financially competitive, 2) creditor interests are protected, and 3) all workers are treated fairly. Obama either abused or ignored all of these powers, always to the benefit of unions, and always to the detriment of taxpayers, non-union workers, and investors.
First, Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code empowers courts to rewrite labor contracts to make the surviving companies more competitive. Obama failed to exercise this power. Just ask Obama’s Car Czar Steve Rattner who recently admitted, “We should have asked the UAW to do a bit more. We did not ask any UAW member to take a cut in their pay.”
Second, a fundamental principle of bankruptcy law is the presumption that similarly situated creditors should receive similar treatment. Obama violated this in a number of ways, always to the benefit of unions, most famously paying off Chrysler’s unsecured union benefit trust fund instead of Chrysler’s secured creditors.
Finally, Obama protected some union pensioners while leaving similarly situated non-union workers vulnerable. Specifically, GM gave $1 billion to Delphi’s union retirees, but gave their non-union retirees nothing.
All told Obama’s violations of bankruptcy law made the bailout of GM and Chrysler $26.5 billion more expensive than it had to be. And according to Obama’s own Treasury Department, taxpayers stand to lose $23 billion if GM stock were sold today.
In other words, Obama turned what should have been a $3.5 billion taxpayer gain into a $23 billion loss. But that is just the immediate damage done to our nation’s bottom line. Obama’s undermining of our bankruptcy process and the rule of law is incalculable.
“The free market has never been a free license to take whatever you want from whoever you can. It only works when there are rules of the road to ensure that competition is fair, open, and honest,” Obama said in Osawatomie, Kansas last year.
Obama is right: the free market only works when “the rules of the road” are honored. Unfortunately, Obama’s handling of the GM and Chrysler bankruptcy is a case study proving that he is incapable of ensuring that “competition is fair, open, and honest.”
June 18, 2012
36 Comments
Conn Carroll
Senior Editorial Writer
The Washington Examiner
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-did ... le/1355336
“When my opponents and others were arguing that we should let Detroit go bankrupt,” President Obama said in Cleveland Thursday, “we made a bet on American workers and today our auto industry is back on top of the world.”
This is true. Obama’s opponents, including Mitt Romney, did argue that General Motors and Chrysler should go bankrupt. But what Obama consistently leaves out of the story is that he did, in fact, let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt.
He just did so in a way that violated every fundamental principle of America’s bankruptcy code, undermined the rule of law, and cost taxpayers an extra $26.5 billion.
Bankruptcy expert and George Mason University Law School professor Todd Zywicki and Heritage Foundation labor expert James Sherk exposed the truth this week in their new paper: “Auto Bailout or UAW Bailout? Taxpayer Losses Came from Subsidizing Union Compensation.”
President Bush initiated the auto bailout in 2008 when he diverted parts of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to GM and Chrysler to keep them running through the first several months of the Obama presidency.
In exchange for an eventual $80 billion total in bailout funds, the Obama administration forced both Chrysler and General Motors into bankruptcy. Both firms ceased to exist as they had for decades, and then “sold” all of their assets to new “General Motors” and “Chrysler” companies.
In a normal bankruptcy process, a bankruptcy court has a number of powers at its disposal to ensure that: 1)the emerging companies are financially competitive, 2) creditor interests are protected, and 3) all workers are treated fairly. Obama either abused or ignored all of these powers, always to the benefit of unions, and always to the detriment of taxpayers, non-union workers, and investors.
First, Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code empowers courts to rewrite labor contracts to make the surviving companies more competitive. Obama failed to exercise this power. Just ask Obama’s Car Czar Steve Rattner who recently admitted, “We should have asked the UAW to do a bit more. We did not ask any UAW member to take a cut in their pay.”
Second, a fundamental principle of bankruptcy law is the presumption that similarly situated creditors should receive similar treatment. Obama violated this in a number of ways, always to the benefit of unions, most famously paying off Chrysler’s unsecured union benefit trust fund instead of Chrysler’s secured creditors.
Finally, Obama protected some union pensioners while leaving similarly situated non-union workers vulnerable. Specifically, GM gave $1 billion to Delphi’s union retirees, but gave their non-union retirees nothing.
All told Obama’s violations of bankruptcy law made the bailout of GM and Chrysler $26.5 billion more expensive than it had to be. And according to Obama’s own Treasury Department, taxpayers stand to lose $23 billion if GM stock were sold today.
In other words, Obama turned what should have been a $3.5 billion taxpayer gain into a $23 billion loss. But that is just the immediate damage done to our nation’s bottom line. Obama’s undermining of our bankruptcy process and the rule of law is incalculable.
“The free market has never been a free license to take whatever you want from whoever you can. It only works when there are rules of the road to ensure that competition is fair, open, and honest,” Obama said in Osawatomie, Kansas last year.
Obama is right: the free market only works when “the rules of the road” are honored. Unfortunately, Obama’s handling of the GM and Chrysler bankruptcy is a case study proving that he is incapable of ensuring that “competition is fair, open, and honest.”
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Obama stepped on a crack today. The repubs are now stating that Obama has no respect for the elderly and that he condones domestic violence against women.
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heh @ Washington Examiner
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neuf: unbluetick wrote:Zut allurs!!!! Viva la socialiste braviteurs!
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Get the fuck out. Now.
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Charlie casts a vote for Obama...
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Gun Industry Delights in Election Year Ammo Sales
http://now.msn.com/now/0619-bullets-boom
Gotta love it. "Recent sales of semi-automatic assault rifles have been especially strong."
http://now.msn.com/now/0619-bullets-boom
Gotta love it. "Recent sales of semi-automatic assault rifles have been especially strong."
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The only way you'll get our guns is to pry 'em out of our cold dead fingers, by God.
But don't ever say we cling to guns. That really hurts.
But don't ever say we cling to guns. That really hurts.
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The economy is in the shitter and this is what you're worried about?
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Remember how candidate Obama promised to be a different kind of president who would be open and transparent?
Obama hiding behind executive privilege to avoid producing documents about Fast and Furious...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t1
Obama hiding behind executive privilege to avoid producing documents about Fast and Furious...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t1
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Sorry to hear your prospects aren't all that rosey.Hacksaw wrote:The economy is in the shitter and this is what you're worried about?
The Willie Wonka vid was funny, fwiw.
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Also fwiw, I remember another candidate's oath that we wouldn't be the world's policeman.
In both cases I think each should be held accountable...but what are you gonna do? C'est la vie.
In both cases I think each should be held accountable...but what are you gonna do? C'est la vie.
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I didn't realize that defending yourself against murderous attacks made one a policeman.
And, once agian, I must remind you that George Bush is no longer the POTUS. It's been >3 years. Let it go. Move on, as they say.
And, once agian, I must remind you that George Bush is no longer the POTUS. It's been >3 years. Let it go. Move on, as they say.
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To be fair, he is also worried about the fact the planet will be warmer by 1 degree 100 years from now...Hacksaw wrote:The economy is in the shitter and this is what you're worried about?
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LOL! The irony.Hacksaw wrote:I didn't realize that defending yourself against murderous attacks made one a policeman.
And, once agian, I must remind you that George Bush is no longer the POTUS. It's been >3 years. Let it go. Move on, as they say.
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It's GOLD, Jerry!
pure gold
pure gold
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