Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Professor Tiger]

Hack was a bitter critic of Bush. And Romney was never pro-choice. Ever.

[Hacksaw]

I defended Bush on foreign policy, particularly on the WOT. I would defend Obama, too, except that all of Bush's critics on the WOT seem to be okay with Obama killing terrorists. Funny how that works.

On spending, I was critical of Bush. Anyone who remembers my posts from those days would have to admit that, if they're honest.

[bluetick]

I defended Bush on foreign policy , particularly on the WMDs. ftfy

[Toemeesleather]

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[Professor Tiger]

I would defend Obama, too, except that all of Bush's critics on the WOT seem to be okay with Obama killing terrorists. Funny how that works.

The critics of Bush regarding Iraq and Afghanistan have been vindicated. We never had a problem with him (or Obama) killing terrorists. In fact, we congratulate Obama for doing that with much more success than Bush ever did.

The criticism of the Bush Iraq/Afghanistan policy is that it was extremely poorly planned and profoundly under-resourced from the start. And after the original reason for going in there (WMD) crapped out, the second reason was as poorly conceived as the first. "Nation-building" in that part of the world is naive folly of the highest order. Millions of Arab illiterate medieval barbarians are not "yearning to be free." Giving them the right to vote will not magically transform them into Constitutional democrats and republicans,

Although, I guess you can say that democracy did "sweep across the region," like Bush predicted. But it had absolutely nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. And all it accomplished is changing some pro-Western thugocracies into Jihadist thugocracies.

Yippee.

[bluetick]

I suppose this is where I'm supposed to counter toe with the UN inspection vids or the Colin Powell "We should have never invaded Iraq vid or the "Curveball" vids.

To quote Carvey as 41: "Nah gah dah."

[Professor Tiger]

The Iraq war went bad when W said, "Hey Colin, would ya mind stepping outside for a few minutes? Me, Don and Dick have some important decisions to make. And would ya mind bringing back some coffee? I'll take mine decaf."

[bluetick]

Ah, screw it. Here's W famously admitting there were no WMDs - but that the alternate goals wrt Iraq were to "alleviate human suffering" and to "advance a freedom agenda."

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[Professor Tiger]

I don't know why so many people thought we invaded Iraq because of WMD. It had very little to do with that.

That was really, really painful to watch. It reminds me why so many people voted for Obama, who could at least successfully craft a coherent sentence and a rational thought.

[Professor Tiger]

That clip reminded me of this:

[bluetick]

I don't know why so many people thought we invaded Iraq because of WMD. It had very little to do with that.

ummm

"My fellow citizens, at this hour American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, and to free it's people and to defend the world."

[Toemeesleather]

I suppose this is where I'm supposed to counter...

You can always counter with your insights to epochs.

[bluetick]

toe's getting upset!

sorry

[Professor Tiger]

I don't know why so many people thought we invaded Iraq because of WMD. It had very little to do with that.

ummm

"My fellow citizens, at this hour American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, and to free it's people and to defend the world."

You need to recalibrate your mockery detector.

[bluetick]

My bad.

but...you do bounce around the political spectrum...so it's not always cut-n-dry where you stand

[puterbac]

Moth to a flame

Moth to a flame

[Professor Tiger]

My bad.

but...you do bounce around the political spectrum...so it's not always cut-n-dry where you stand

Fair. But I was opposed to the Iraq war since about halfway through my deployment there (or, to be more precise, Kuwait). I wasn't opposed to it because I thought it was immoral, just horribly planned and foolishly perpetuated.

As a handy guide, I'm conservative/libertarian on social, fiscal, and 2A issues. But I'm really leery about the US being the world's policeman. And I don't relate at all to the plutocrat/crony capitalism/Gordon Gecko part of Republicanism either. I'm almost a Reagan Democrat on those issues.

[innocentbystander]

My bad.

but...you do bounce around the political spectrum...so it's not always cut-n-dry where you stand

Fair. But I was opposed to the Iraq war since about halfway through my deployment there (or, to be more precise, Kuwait). I wasn't opposed to it because I thought it was immoral, just horribly planned and foolishly perpetuated.

As a handy guide, I'm conservative/libertarian on social, fiscal, and 2A issues. But I'm really leery about the US being the world's policeman. And I don't relate at all to the plutocrat/crony capitalism/Gordon Gecko part of Republicanism either. I'm almost a Reagan Democrat on those issues.

take away Islam and there would be no need for a world policeman

[10ac]

I'd vote for that.

[innocentbystander]

I'd vote for that.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.