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Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:18 pm

Is he the only one besides Santo who makes it?

Owlman · Post by **Owlman** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:29 pm

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2013.shtml

NOTE HOFs, HOFm and WAR for the people in 2013

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:38 pm

Just give me a fucking answer.

Cletus · Post by **Cletus** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:08 pm

If a guy like Jeff Bagwell can't get in the Hall of Fame, then what's the point of having it at all?

Owlman · Post by **Owlman** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:30 pm

I agree. If they don't put in Bagwell this year, then he won't get in imo.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:34 pm

Bagwell doesn't deserve the HOF. Nobody who used steroids does.

Owlman · Post by **Owlman** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:51 pm

There is absolutely no evidence that Bagwell used steroids. NONE.

Bluecat · Post by **Bluecat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:59 pm

Prove it.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:08 pm

Owlman wrote:There is absolutely no evidence that Bagwell used steroids. NONE.

That's not the perception among voters.

aTm · Post by **aTm** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:21 pm

I don't know what people want from Jeff Bagwell. He had a perfectly normal career arc, his best seasons were from age 26-32 followed by a decline in both pure power and overall production before injury ended his career. Almost all of the "Hall of Fame" level roiders put up their best seasons after age 33-34. He was big I guess, and maybe he used steroids, but there certainly is no real evidence that he used. He also wasn't a pure power player. He was one of the best instinctive baserunners of his generation, and had some speed. Was great with the glove, and had a good arm before he was hurt. He was a plus rated with all 5 tools.

TheBigMook · Post by **TheBigMook** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:22 pm

He looked like a juicer. Case closed.

aTm · Post by **aTm** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:22 pm

I suspect the writers will make Bagwell and Biggio split attention on their HoF induction rather than each having their own day. Of course Rat probably thinks Biggio wont get in either.

TheBigMook · Post by **TheBigMook** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:22 pm

Biggio was a cheating little shitface.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:29 pm

Biggio won't get in either. Sorry. At least you used "maybe" when you were talking about Bagwell and roids.

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:32 pm

Chipper Jones: first ballot?

aTm · Post by **aTm** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:32 pm

Laughable.

aTm · Post by **aTm** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:32 pm

Both of those posts.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:40 pm

Enjoy the junior league

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:42 pm

There were three posts before your laughable reply. Which two do you feel are laughable?

As a non-steroid-taking 3B, Chipper has HoF numbers.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:48 pm

I can see Chipper making it in 5-10 years from now. He was good but not good enough for these times.

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