Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Toemeesleather]

Cain stays in!! Dow up 400lll!!11

Woot!!lll

[bluetick]

Like any elitist worth their salt, he attacks the messenger.

It's an attack to point out that the guy is a military strategist? Seriously?

No doubt I'm skeptical about the concept of an international conspiracy of climate scientists, their organizations, and the governments where they originate (including our own). I just don't see how you could keep the lid on something like that. Somebodly somewhere doesn't get their regular hoax payoff and you know they're going to bring it all down, right? How do you get tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people to toe the line on such a grand deception....short of installing "death-chips" in their bodies?

But yeah - I understand that some of you ache to buy into this alleged scheme, and can't wait to display some joker's new claim of it's existence. Regardless of their credentials, or lack thereof.

[Toemeesleather]

It's also been tried before....read "The Population Bomb" by Paul Ehrlich....yes there's a pattern.

[sardis]

Hurricane Season Spawns 19 Storms in Third-Most Active Year

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-2 ... ar-1-.html

How did we ever survive 2011...

[Toemeesleather]

...with hope and change...

[Owlman]

How did we ever survive 2011...

U mean U don't know?

[BigRedMan]

Your ass better callllllllllllllllllll somebody!!!!!!!

[puterbac]

Tick, those quotes of the e-mails of the East Anglia pseudo-scientists cited are devastating to the MMGW religion. They show that even the high priests and cardinals of this new MMGW religion don't even believe their own BS that they are trying to foist on a gullible public. The fact that that were cited by a guy you don't like does not negate the impact of the quotes themselves.

Unless you are denying the authenticity of the quotes, which I don't think anybody is doing.

Forget it PT. Tick is of the MMGW religion. It doesn't matter who is writing the article.

The emails are what they are and tick wants to ignore it and instead scoff at the messenger every time.

Examples are of the surfacestations.org project that is simply examining each temp station used in the US Climate Data Network and compare how they are sited to the NOAA recommendations. He ignores the information and instead slams Anthony Watts. Nevermind the validity of the work.

Only 7.9% of the 82.5% of the stations surveyed meet the NOAA requirements. The rest coincidentally lead to a higher temp reading due to the site location. But that isn't important.

[img2]http://www.surfacestations.org/Figure1_USHCN_Pie.jpg[/img2]

[BigRedMan]

[10ac]

heh.

Police grade pepper spray is 5,000,000 SHU. The sause I use is 4,000,000 SHU. Tobasco is around 150,000.

[Toemeesleather]

Shit-Head-Units?

[bluetick]

It's also been tried before....read "The Population Bomb" by Paul Ehrlich....yes there's a pattern.

lol @ pattern

Right there on your shelf with "One World Government - 666" and "Capricorn One."

[10ac]

Tobasco is only 30,000-50,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoville_scale

[bluetick]

Forget it PT. Tick is of the MMGW religion. It doesn't matter who is writing the article.

The emails are what they are and tick wants to ignore it and instead scoff at the messenger every time.

Examples are of the surfacestations.org project that is simply examining each temp station used in the US Climate Data Network and compare how they are sited to the NOAA recommendations. He ignores the information and instead slams Anthony Watts. Nevermind the validity of the work.

Only 7.9% of the 82.5% of the stations surveyed meet the NOAA requirements. The rest coincidentally lead to a higher temp reading due to the site location. But that isn't important.

[img2]http://www.surfacestations.org/Figure1_USHCN_Pie.jpg[/img2]

As puter knows, surfacestations.org is just another laughable blog (with graphs!) from Anthony Watts. It's mostly amateurish data analysis that centers on the vagaries between urban vs rural stations. An internet sensation for deniers, Watts has never had the temerity to run those dodgey numbers in the scientific arena as he tends to limit peer review to that given by fellow web crackpots. He is the WND (or Newsmax) of the skeptic-sphere.

[GBJs]

Is this MMGW thing along the lines of WWAVC?

[GBJs]

Forgive me guys, I just had to be a smart ass.

[Professor Tiger]

WWAVC

LMAO

[Professor Tiger]

Yes, I still miss Voltone...

[Professor Tiger]

The Great Global Warming Fizzle

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... #printMode

The climate religion fades in spasms of anger and twitches of boredom.

By BRET STEPHENS

How do religions die? Generally they don't, which probably explains why there's so little literature on the subject. Zoroastrianism, for instance, lost many of its sacred texts when Alexander sacked Persepolis in 330 B.C., and most Zoroastrians converted to Islam over 1,000 years ago. Yet today old Zoroaster still counts as many as 210,000 followers, including 11,000 in the U.S. Christopher Hitchens might say you can't kill what wasn't there to begin with.

Still, Zeus and Apollo are no longer with us, and neither are Odin and Thor. Among the secular gods, Marx is mostly dead and Freud is totally so. Something did away with them, and it's worth asking what.

Consider the case of global warming, another system of doomsaying prophecy and faith in things unseen.

As with religion, it is presided over by a caste of spectacularly unattractive people pretending to an obscure form of knowledge that promises to make the seas retreat and the winds abate. As with religion, it comes with an elaborate list of virtues, vices and indulgences. As with religion, its claims are often non-falsifiable, hence the convenience of the term "climate change" when thermometers don't oblige the expected trend lines. As with religion, it is harsh toward skeptics, heretics and other "deniers." And as with religion, it is susceptible to the earthly temptations of money, power, politics, arrogance and deceit.

This week, the conclave of global warming's cardinals are meeting in Durban, South Africa, for their 17th conference in as many years. The idea is to come up with a successor to the Kyoto Protocol, which is set to expire next year, and to require rich countries to pony up $100 billion a year to help poor countries cope with the alleged effects of climate change. This is said to be essential because in 2017 global warming becomes "catastrophic and irreversible," according to a recent report by the International Energy Agency.

Yet a funny thing happened on the way to the climate apocalypse. Namely, the financial apocalypse.

The U.S., Russia, Japan, Canada and the EU have all but confirmed they won't be signing on to a new Kyoto. The Chinese and Indians won't make a move unless the West does. The notion that rich (or formerly rich) countries are going to ship $100 billion every year to the Micronesias of the world is risible, especially after they've spent it all on Greece.

Cap and trade is a dead letter in the U.S. Even Europe is having second thoughts about carbon-reduction targets that are decimating the continent's heavy industries and cost an estimated $67 billion a year. "Green" technologies have all proved expensive, environmentally hazardous and wildly unpopular duds.

All this has been enough to put the Durban political agenda on hold for the time being. But religions don't die, and often thrive, when put to the political sidelines. A religion, when not physically extinguished, only dies when it loses faith in itself.

That's where the Climategate emails come in. First released on the eve of the Copenhagen climate summit two years ago and recently updated by a fresh batch, the "hide the decline" emails were an endless source of fun and lurid fascination for those of us who had never been convinced by the global-warming thesis in the first place.

But the real reason they mattered is that they introduced a note of caution into an enterprise whose motivating appeal resided in its increasingly frantic forecasts of catastrophe. Papers were withdrawn; source material re-examined. The Himalayan glaciers, it turned out, weren't going to melt in 30 years. Nobody can say for sure how high the seas are likely to rise—if much at all. Greenland isn't turning green. Florida isn't going anywhere.

The reply global warming alarmists have made to these dislosures is that they did nothing to change the underlying science, and only improved it in particulars. So what to make of the U.N.'s latest supposedly authoritative report on extreme weather events, which is tinged with admissions of doubt and uncertainty? Oddly, the report has left climate activists stuttering with rage at what they call its "watered down" predictions. If nothing else, they understand that any belief system, particularly ones as young as global warming, cannot easily survive more than a few ounces of self-doubt.

Meanwhile, the world marches on. On Sunday, 2,232 days will have elapsed since a category 3 hurricane made landfall in the U.S., the longest period in more than a century that the U.S. has been spared a devastating storm. Great religions are wise enough to avoid marking down the exact date when the world comes to an end. Not so for the foolish religions. Expect Mayan cosmology to take a hit to its reputation when the world doesn't end on Dec. 21, 2012. Expect likewise when global warming turns out to be neither catastrophic nor irreversible come 2017.

And there is this: Religions are sustained in the long run by the consolations of their teachings and the charisma of their leaders. With global warming, we have a religion whose leaders are prone to spasms of anger and whose followers are beginning to twitch with boredom. Perhaps that's another way religions die.

[Toemeesleather]

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