Florida State Seminoles

[hedge]

What if a lawsuit goes to the Supreme Court challenging the constitutionality of Musk's actions, they rule it's unconstitutional and Trump says fuck it, we're doing it anyway and sends Musk back in? Would you be giddy about that? Just trying to see how far you're willing to expand executive power. And also remind you, as you have reminded me a few times over the years when you thought Dems had overreached on some issue or rule: Careful what you wish for...

[DooKSucks]

When this country finishes its descent into oligarch-controlled, jackbooted fascism in a world dominated by China, many sides will share blame, but none will be as culpable as eCat and those like him. I like you eCat, but this shit is beyond the pale. I am shocked you can't see what is actually happening.

[eCat]

no, I would not support Trump saying fuck it to the supreme court.

sunlight is the best disinfectant. If you aren't for the government exposing waste and fraud , and you equate that to facism (how about this - the man is reducing the size and scope of government and you call it facism- smh), then I can't do much for you telling me I'm the one that has my head up my ass.

Yea, there are going to be issues with them, its an axe, not a scalpel, but its long overdue and had people held the previous administration accountable, and not just focused on screaming Trump is bad every day of the week, its a good chance America wouldn't be here and democrats wouldn't have a 31% favorability rating in a America.

not to mention we probably wouldn't have a conservative majority on the Supreme court that is unlikely to tell Trump to do anything

you guys are just as culpable in making this happen as the Trump supporters, obviously you don't see it that way but look around. America is demanding this, rejoicing in it, wanting the government dismantled with wreckless abandon at a breakneck pace. All because you wouldn't shut the fuck up about how bad Trump was for 4 years with a shadow government in place behind Biden. You looked the other way when they were appointing Trannys as head of government departments, weakening our military, running money laundering in Ukraine, forcing women to compete with men in college sports, opening the borders to flood the country, telling FEMA workers to not help Trump supporters, just focusing on outlandish and stupid shit , ignoring the backbone of the country when people have real concerns - its reached a breaking point with the majority of Americans. They want the government so broken, so dismantled, so gutted that a Biden situation can't happen again.

CNN, ABC and soon to be CBS will now be , by their own efforts, accountable to balanced reporting due to losing millions in court for defamation and lying. That will send a chill thru all the others, especially those that now see podcasters and X reporters sitting next to them in the white house press pool. Traditional power structures are forever changing and the ones screeching the loudest about it are the one who are posed to lose the most power. Democratic politicians screaming about a man promising to make America healthy, Democratic politicians getting pre-emptive pardons for crimes they haven't even been accused yet going back more than a decade, CIA and FBI now admitting what they were saying under the Biden and Obama presidencies were lies while assigning 5000 people to investigate January 6 out of a total headcount of 35K, politicians from both sides fighting to keep the Epstein list private while Bill Gates admits he was blackmailed, and now you have Democrats standing on the steps of the treasury office demanding that no outside source audit them.

blow the whole goddamn thing up

[hedge]

I was checking if the libertarian Cato Institute had gotten any federal money (they have not), and found this on their website. Never knew open borders was an idea approved of by libertarians. This is a few years old but this same guy has written plenty more recently along the same lines..

Forget the Wall Already, It’s Time for the U.S. to Have Open Borders

America has nothing to fear, and much to gain, from open borders

July 31, 2018

President Donald Trump’s recent tweets against open borders come as no surprise. Indeed, even fervent immigration advocates worry that open borders would lower the wages of low-skilled natives, erode national security, and overburden the social safety net. Trump doubled down, tweeting that he would be “willing to ‘shut down’ government” unless Congress approves funding for a border wall with Mexico.

Trump, however, has it exactly backwards: The solution to America’s immigration problems is open borders, under which the United States imposes no immigration restrictions at all. If the U.S. adopts this policy, the benefits will far outweigh the costs.

Legalize ALL immigration

Illegal immigration will disappear, by definition. Much commentary on immigration — Trump and fellow travelers aside — suggests that legal immigration is good and that illegal immigration is bad. So, legalize all immigration.

America has nothing to fear, and much to gain, from open borders.

Government will then have no need to define or interpret rules about asylum, economic hardship, family reunification, family separation, DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) and so on. When all immigration is legal, these issues are irrelevant.

The question of fairness about who enters first — those who waited in line or those who entered illegally — disappears. Amnesty for existing illegal immigrants also becomes a non-issue. Or an open borders policy could require anyone who entered illegally to exit the country — for exactly five minutes — and then re-enter legally.

Think about the money we could save and make

Expenditure on immigration enforcement would shrink to nothing, because open borders means no walls, fences, screening at airports, ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), deportations, detention centers or immigration courts. A 2013 report estimated that immigration enforcement cost more than $18 billion annually, and standard indicators suggest costs have grown further since then.

Last year, U.S. employers filed over 336,000 petitions for H1‑B visas for highly skilled foreign workers, but only 197,129 were approved. Complicated visa rules — for tourists versus job-seekers, STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) workers versus agricultural laborers, and students versus non-students — would all vanish. This would save resources and give employers new access to talented human capital.

The time people waste re-entering the country will evaporate. How often do you face long delays when entering Oklahoma from Texas? Never. But how often do you experience delays when you leave other countries for the United States? Almost always. One study pegs the cost of wait times at the U.S.-Mexico border alone to be more than $12 billion a year.

Economic efficiency will increase both in the USA and in immigrant-sending countries, because different kinds of labor will be better matched around the world to their most productive activity. This benefits the immigrants who earn higher incomes, but also U.S. consumers who face lower prices for imported goods and services. One academic study predicts that if borders were open everywhere, world gross domestic product could be twice its current value.

They will send their best

The government’s fiscal balance could actually improve with more legal immigrants earning income and paying taxes in America. And under open borders, any added immigration will plausibly come from those with even higher skills and incomes, who faced weaker incentives to immigrate when faced with the burden of current restrictions.

Expenditure on the welfare state will contract because even if immigrants vote for welfare spending, existing residents will vote for less generous benefits when they believe these accrue to recent immigrants.

What about possible bad outcomes of open borders?

Immigrants will not flood into America, although the rate of immigration might increase. Instead, much of the immigration will be temporary. Return migration happens because most people want to be near their families, surrounded by their own language, culture or religion.

If immigrants know they can re-immigrate, they are less likely to put down roots. Instead, many will come for a few years, to work or study, and then depart. This happens routinely in the European Union, which has mainly abolished immigration restrictions among member states, and it was common historically during periods of relatively open borders. Plus, increased immigration will lower wage differentials across countries, reducing the incentive to immigrate.

Crime will not skyrocket. Available evidenceshows that immigrants are no more crime-prone than natives. And the additional immigrants likely to enter under open borders would plausibly be even less so, because they have shown respect for the law by not immigrating illegally.

Terrorists could well enter via open borders, but they do so now illicitly. Little evidence suggests that our immigration restrictions prevent terrorist attacks.

U.S. culture will not change dramatically. America’s immigrants have a long history of assimilation, and most have at least some affinity for American values. Indeed, the world is already more “Americanized” than ever. Even if values and culture change, so what? That happens in free societies. Who says America’s current values — some of them deeply evil — are the right ones?

Open borders are not without risks. Social safety nets might come under pressure, and natives will face added competition for jobs (though the evidence on this is mixed).

Ultimately, immigrants have always been vital to America’s economic strength and to its commitment to freedom. Since its founding, the United States has grown from a motley collection of colonies to one of the richest countries in the world, with some of our fastest growth occurring when immigrants arrived in large numbers.

America has nothing to fear, and much to gain, from open borders.

https://www.cato.org/publications/comme ... en-borders

[DooKSucks]

sunlight is the best disinfectant. If you aren't for the government exposing waste and fraud , and you equate that to facism (how about this - the man is reducing the size and scope of government and you call it facism- smh), then I can't do much for you telling me I'm the one that has my head up my ass.

They're not decreasing the size of government. He's increasing government overreach in other areas. There is no more real "small government" party for which to vote.

Yea, there are going to be issues with them, its an axe, not a scalpel, but its long overdue and had people held the previous administration accountable, and not just focused on screaming Trump is bad every day of the week, its a good chance America wouldn't be here and democrats wouldn't have a 31% favorability rating in a America.

Yes, the 43% favorability rating enjoyed by the GOP is a real sign of mass approval. https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3918

Don't act like this is something every American -- or even a majority of Americans -- favors. Hell, it looks like GOP support for Musk is starting to wane per a recent poll. https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ally-poll/

I can tell you what is not the answer: having this audit conducted by a bunch of socially awkward, incel dorks like IB with inferiority complexes that would give pause to any competent professional conducting an in-depth psycho-analysis.

Having these fuckers digging into the Treasurey payment system is beyond scary. God only knows what the Chicoms, Norks and Russians are reaping from this mass download of data from various departments or what sort of scams their criminal arms will be running now...worse yet, how they can cause mass economic chaos by fucking with tens of millions of people at once.

not to mention we probably wouldn't have a conservative majority on the Supreme court that is unlikely to tell Trump to do anything

SCOTUS has had a Republican/conservative tilt since Marshall held on too long, was basically forced off because he was headed straight into senility and gave HW the ability to appoint Thomas. If you don't believe me, look up the politicized opinion that was Bush v. Gore.

you guys are just as culpable in making this happen as the Trump supporters, obviously you don't see it that way but look around. America is demanding this, rejoicing in it, wanting the government dismantled with wreckless abandon at a breakneck pace. All because you wouldn't shut the fuck up about how bad Trump was for 4 years with a shadow government in place behind Biden. You looked the other way when they were appointing Trannys as head of government departments, weakening our military, running money laundering in Ukraine, forcing women to compete with men in college sports, opening the borders to flood the country, telling FEMA workers to not help Trump supporters, just focusing on outlandish and stupid shit , ignoring the backbone of the country when people have real concerns - its reached a breaking point with the majority of Americans. They want the government so broken, so dismantled, so gutted that a Biden situation can't happen again.

Weakening the military? Pray tell
Money laundering in Ukraine? Pray tell
Trannys? That's the current right wing attempt to deflect the masses' attention. It was race -- and still is in different, more subtle ways -- then it was "crime," then it was the "attack on family values" and the "gay agenda," and all sorts of other similar shit.
FEMA favoring Democrats? Where's the proof other than talking points. Hell, in WNC, most of those counties have been Republican since the 1850's, literally. Buncombe and Watauga are the exceptions due to the universities.
This is just the traditional GOP scare tactic being used on multiple stories. Nixon and Roger Stone are burning in hell right now for starting this shit.

People may say "tear it down" at some rally or in response to push polling, but if they actually knew how things are going to be affected, they wouldn't want it. Those rural folks forget how many of their schools are Title 1 or how their special needs kid depends on DoEd funding. If they dismantle the Department of Education like this, it's going to cause complete hell to break lose in every single school district in this nation.

CNN, ABC and soon to be CBS will now be , by their own efforts, accountable to balanced reporting due to losing millions in court for defamation and lying. That will send a chill thru all the others, especially those that now see podcasters and X reporters sitting next to them in the white house press pool.

Fascists, communists, military junta's, tinpot dictatores, et al all talk the same talk.

The idea of some sort of neutral reporting press is uniquely American. It was developed by the business people who owned media outlets as a selling point whereas pre-1900, we were like the rest of the world with news outlets on whichever side / part of the political spectrum the publisher and editors stood.

Asking someone to edit / censor? No problem with that. It has happened since day one whenever the government felt there was some sort of security interest of the highest importance at stake.

Having the government develop a hit list of folks to go after in a manner that Dick Nixon couldn't even fathom? That's fucking ludicrous and scary.

CIA and FBI now admitting what they were saying under the Biden and Obama presidencies were lies while assigning 5000 people to investigate January 6 out of a total headcount of 35K, politicians from both sides fighting to keep the Epstein list private while Bill Gates admits he was blackmailed, and now you have Democrats standing on the steps of the treasury office demanding that no outside source audit them.

Please show the proof for all of that crap, and not just from some Trump mouth piece.

I could see where the 5k FBI agents is plausible given they were investigating a planned coup led by dipshits like Roger Stone and the like who took advantage of angry simpletons and marginalized fucks, and Gates seems plausible too.

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Listen, is there a need for a massive audit? You bet your sweet ass.

Is there a need to go through DoD with a fine tooth comb? Dear Lord yes. I've even been in social situations with retired colonels and even a couple of generals ("only" Brig. * / Maj. **) hearing them expound on topics when queried and have heard them say the same thing, and many of those fuckers get nice gigs with defense contractors after the fact. Yet they'll say there is waste galore.

Is there a need to check out foreign aid? Yes there is, but do we need to stop it whole sale? Hardly. China is going to sweep in and take advantage even more than they already have. People fail to understand the importance of soft power in developing countries and/or places that have important raw materials, access to important sea lanes, major markets, etc. That's not just military influence we are getting, it's economic influence as well.

Is allowing a goddamned lunatic, Bond-villain come to life foreigner with billions of dollars of financial interests tied in with our enemies and his merry team of IB-like, incel, dipshit kids in their early 20's the run rough shod the answer? Hell no.

You people are assisting the oligarchs in their final push to turn this nation into some goddamned strongman-operated oligarchy that is fucking / will fuck it all up and cede global leader status to the ChiComs.

[aTm]

Its too dangerous to look into what the government is doing. We elect the Mazie Hirono's and Tommy Tubberville's to represent us, so surely they will and have been taking care of it all for us, and we can rest assured that our preeminent place among the great nations is being maintained.

[DooKSucks]

Its too dangerous to look into what the government is doing. We elect the Mazie Hirono's and Tommy Tubberville's to represent us, so surely they will and have been taking care of it all for us, and we can rest assured that our preeminent place among the great nations is being maintained.

I didn’t say looking into things is too dangerous. It needs to happen. The problem is that these fuckers aren’t looking into the government. They’re trying to destroy anything that doesn’t serve Musk’s immediate needs.

[hedge]

Damn, DS bringing the heat...

[aTm]

The problem is that these fuckers aren’t looking into the government. They’re trying to destroy anything that doesn’t serve Musk’s immediate needs.

*citation needed

[Dave23]

My organization is certainly up in arms re: the “fork in the road” emails…

[eCat]

They're not decreasing the size of government. He's increasing government overreach in other areas. There is no more real "small government" party for which to vote.

Having these fuckers digging into the Treasurey payment system is beyond scary. God only knows what the Chicoms, Norks and Russians are reaping from this mass download of data from various departments or what sort of scams their criminal arms will be running now...worse yet, how they can cause mass economic chaos by fucking with tens of millions of people at once.

why do you have a problem with anyone conducting an audit? they do not have the power to cut spending or fire people. The democrats are more than welcome to run their own audits, they have that power. Funny they aren't doing that isn't it? No, I'm fine with anyone running an audit, and if the result is a someone in a position on power making cuts or firing people because it shows its clearly waste or fraud, then have at it. The real concern is why anyone would have a problem with it. Trump told you he was going to do this. People voted for it. Its happening. People want it. Being upset because a nerdy numbers guy is doing it and not a life long bureaucrat is an odd take., but that isn't why you are upset, you're upset because its a Trump agenda item.

SCOTUS has had a Republican/conservative tilt since Marshall held on too long, was basically forced off because he was headed straight into senility and gave HW the ability to appoint Thomas. If you don't believe me, look up the politicized opinion that was Bush v. Gore.

I don't care, I want it more conservative, the point is that Trump is likely to get great lateral freedom to continue this approach from the supremes.

Weakening the military? Pray tell
Money laundering in Ukraine? Pray tell
Trannys? That's the current right wing attempt to deflect the masses' attention. It was race -- and still is in different, more subtle ways -- then it was "crime," then it was the "attack on family values" and the "gay agenda," and all sorts of other similar shit.
FEMA favoring Democrats? Where's the proof other than talking points. Hell, in WNC, most of those counties have been Republican since the 1850's, literally. Buncombe and Watauga are the exceptions due to the universities.
This is just the traditional GOP scare tactic being used on multiple stories. Nixon and Roger Stone are burning in hell right now for starting this shit.

as for weakening the military, if you don't think having 10000 tranny's (source - Newsweek) in the military that can't be deployed makes us stronger, well I don't know what to tell you. You think you have some valid argument here on merit? We're a better military because of our virtue signaling? Yes, in the scheme of things is a small number but the leadership that believes in support of that is what is really weakening our military. The real threat to this the military command that gives tranny's a platform, that change the combat requirements for women, that require DEI training at the academies, that put people in leadership positions with a mandate to create a DEI agenda over military strength

People may say "tear it down" at some rally or in response to push polling, but if they actually knew how things are going to be affected, they wouldn't want it. Those rural folks forget how many of their schools are Title 1 or how their special needs kid depends on DoEd funding. If they dismantle the Department of Education like this, it's going to cause complete hell to break lose in every single school district in this nation.

I don't think anyone is talking about taking away funding the schools at this point, they are talking about taking away the DOE, which by any metric shows that Americas education has declined against other countries since its inception. Paying for school lunches is OK, focusing on a bunch of mandated bullshit and pushing a liberal agenda of CRT, DEI or gender identity or whatever is the lib cause de celebre of the month has been a major issue. Why keep something if its detrimental to the intent of what it represents?

Even if Trump is somehow successful in collapsing the department, the federal programs overseen by the Education Department, like Title I and the federal student loan program, would need a new home. Many of them would likely land at HHS or the Justice Department, or be collapsed into a big block grant to states – the latter of which is preferred by Trump and his supporters.

= Source -US News and World Report

Fascists, communists, military junta's, tinpot dictatores, et al all talk the same talk.

The idea of some sort of neutral reporting press is uniquely American. It was developed by the business people who owned media outlets as a selling point whereas pre-1900, we were like the rest of the world with news outlets on whichever side / part of the political spectrum the publisher and editors stood.

Asking someone to edit / censor? No problem with that. It has happened since day one whenever the government felt there was some sort of security interest of the highest importance at stake.

Having the government develop a hit list of folks to go after in a manner that Dick Nixon couldn't even fathom? That's fucking ludicrous and scary.

I will give you the problem in one simple statement

Journalists who said they were Republicans continued to drop from 18 percent in 2002 to 3.4 percent in 2022.- source - American Journalist.

the second part of that is they readily admit, same source, their priority now isn't delivering expedient news to their audience but to report on the actions of the government.

of course your liberal tranny loving ass is ok with that, but if you as a lawyer, believe in the court of law, then you should have no problem with their asses being sued for millions of dollars every time they slander , lie or blatantly misrepresent the facts. Which is happening, and at the same time, the traditional press is dying - newspaper and broadcast media is having to let go talent because of multiple reasons, but a rejection of their bias in reporting is a significant one. They did it to themselves, meanwhile, the one outlet pushing freedom of speech and the ability for anyone to have a voice is growing at a rapid pace. Twitter can regular provide viewership that is multiples of any broadcast news network. CBS edited there flagship interview with a presidential candidate in order to make her appear more competent. That is clear election interference. You can't have media doing that. And I don't remember you or any other Trump hater taking a stand on media integrity then.

Please show the proof for all of that crap, and not just from some Trump mouth piece.

I could see where the 5k FBI agents is plausible given they were investigating a planned coup led by dipshits like Roger Stone and the like who took advantage of angry simpletons and marginalized fucks, and Gates seems plausible too.

so you tell me to prove it and then say what I said is plausible, well guess what, here are the receipts





and this isn't even recent


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Is allowing a goddamned lunatic, Bond-villain come to life foreigner with billions of dollars of financial interests tied in with our enemies and his merry team of IB-like, incel, dipshit kids in their early 20's the run rough shod the answer? Hell no.

You people are assisting the oligarchs in their final push to turn this nation into some goddamned strongman-operated oligarchy that is fucking / will fuck it all up and cede global leader status to the ChiComs.

the problem here is no one will. Democrats certainly won't. The Mitch McConnells of the world won't. Who is gonna do it? The politicians you support? The elected Democrats? AOC? Fetterman? None of them would have. They would have happily gone along thinking that is business as usual.

The only person willing to do it, is the guy who has so much money he doesn't owe anybody any allegiance, whose direct line boss, if you want to call Trump that, also just happens to hate all of them as well and has zero allegiance. Only one candidate in my lifetime has had any interest in reducing the waste, size and reach of government, and he just happens to the candidate that everyone in Washington on both sides of aisle is up in arms over. To me, that says he's on target.

its the best situation possible in light of modern politics and if you think any of the people you support in politics will do it, then get in line with Hedge over there under the sign that says "Moron's club"

Yea, Trump and Elon are going to fuck some shit up, there will be some mistakes. Its the price that must be paid.

What is pissing you off is the power shift in America. The people you think should be running government are getting chased out of town and the only people supporting them are tranny lovers. which is a vicious circle when you think about it.

[Tree]

Site is freaking out?

[eCat]

What inconvenient timing to have a “glitch” then, for them.

also inconvenient timing

Trump pauses foreign aid for 90 days, USAID, who thinks they answer to no one begins attempts to circumvent it, DOGE gets winds of it and USAID become #1 on the DOGE hitlist.

FAFO

[innocentbystander]

Is allowing a goddamned lunatic, Bond-villain come to life foreigner with billions of dollars of financial interests tied in with our enemies and his merry team of IB-like, incel, dipshit kids in their early 20's the run rough shod the answer? Hell no.

You people are assisting the oligarchs in their final push to turn this nation into some goddamned strongman-operated oligarchy that is fucking / will fuck it all up and cede global leader status to the ChiComs.

the problem here is no one will. Democrats certainly won't. The Mitch McConnells of the world won't. Who is gonna do it? The politicians you support? The elected Democrats? AOC? Fetterman? None of them would have. They would have happily gone along thinking that is business as usual.

The only person willing to do it, is the guy who has so much money he doesn't owe anybody any allegiance, whose direct line boss, if you want to call Trump that, also just happens to hate all of them as well and has zero allegiance. Only one candidate in my lifetime has had any interest in reducing the waste, size and reach of government, and he just happens to the candidate that everyone in Washington on both sides of aisle is up in arms over. To me, that says he's on target.

its the best situation possible in light of modern politics and if you think any of the people you support in politics will do it, then get in line with Hedge over there under the sign that says "Moron's club"

This is the most important and unassailable argument in that outstanding response from eCat. No one else would be willing to do this. It must be Trump. This needed to be done for almost 7 decades since LBJ came up with his Great Society. We have to open the books and the government employees must defend the merit of their jobs. Who cares if the first person to begin this audit is a 25 year old incel?

[aTm]

DS wishes we’d made Johnson dictator for life

[innocentbystander]

Government officials being held to any level of accountability is like anti matter to the political left. Tip O Neil spent his entire political career doing all that he could to make sure these agencies were never ever audited. That is as much a non starter as the steel wall that is being assembled on the rio grande.

[Jungle Rat]

Them Nazis almost took an ass beating in Cincy yesterday. Fuckers ran to their uhaul & fled like pussies. Masked faggots.

[aTm]

Be nice to the FBI

[innocentbystander]

• $20 million Iraqi Sesame Street
• $2 million Moroccan pottery class$11 million to tell Vietnam to stop burning trash
• $27 million gift bags to illegal aliens
• $330 million to help Afghanis grow crops (wound up being opium)
• $200 million on Afghani dam never used
• $250 million on unused Afghani road
• $600 million EVERY TWO MONTHS to ship in illegal aliens

Of course the TDS is vast among the left and Of Course they never wanted anyone (anyone = taxpayers) to know where this USAID was going.

[innocentbystander]

DOGE has gained access to 10 more federal agencies
65,000 Federal workers have agreed to take the buy out package and "quit" their jobs.

Illegal crossings in the Tuscon Sector has declined from 1600/day (that was just a year ago) to 125 a day. A 93% decline in one year. Border is quiet. The only noise you hear, the diesel engines assembling the steel wall



10,000 Mexican troops deployed to the border to prevent the tariff on their goods for one month. THEY SAY to stop the flow of fentanyl. Trump says, yes do that AND stop the illegal aliens crossing into our land.



What I am curious about is how many of those 10,000 are corrupt and get paychecks from both government AND the cartels?