UNLV Rebels

[innocentbystander]

to give an idea of the job market right now

I just gave a guy that works for me a $5K raise, and that brings him to a total of $14K worth of raises working for me over the course of 3 years, and he told me point blank it should have been $10K more and he is now going to look for another job.

Now that might be an outlier, except I promoted another guy that reports to me , new job title change, larger bonus pool bucket, with a $6K pay increase on top of the $5K I gave him last year. With the bonus and pay increase, its probably a package worth a little north of $10K a year in salary increase.

Same thing, I should have given him $4K more and he can do better on the open job market or going to another position in the company.

In both cases I was pumped to talked to these guys thinking they would be thrilled with the bump in pay I got them - which I had to argue for, and they are like thanks for nothing.

I have to do 6 more before the end of next week, all of them smaller raises than this so its going to suck.

Workers certainly have leverage. If I lose either one of them, I won't hit my goals for next year, which will crush my performance evaluation with my boss.

I have a couple close friends who lost their jobs as managers because their people quit on them AND they couldn't replace them and get the work done. With all the worker bees deciding, nope, I'm out, I'd rather drive an Uber or do Door-Dash than work for you at what you can pay, then the managers have to do everything. And if they can't get the work done (and they can't find anyone else to do the work) then (as you know) its THEIR ASS that gets the axe. Now, the worker bees maybe laughing at their former bosses in a "schadenfreude" kind of way. But I'm really starting to feel sorry for management.

At my job, we have to work with all sorts of vendors with other companies. Our vendors can't get any shit done because, well, the worker bees all went and "quit" on the vendor. So all the vendor has is sales people who keep saying "yes" to everything but never delivering on anything. Yes we can do it, please me keep this contract because I want the commission! But wait, you didn't deliver? Nothing is done. The work is not done. Oh, sorry, we are having problems finding people to do the work but PLEASE-PRETTY-PLEASE don't replace us with another vendor!

We can't replace them anyway because NO ONE can deliver right now. No one has any workers.

WTF?

[Jungle Rat]

You'd make a hell of a prosecutor

[innocentbystander]

You'd make a hell of a prosecutor

Yeah I couldn't prosecute this woman. You are not prosecuting Haylie Robson



Why prosecute this girl for a federal crime of sex trafficking (even if you know she IS guilty, and she is) if you KNOW that there is NO CHANCE that you will get a conviction? You are prosecutor and if you KNOW that you will NEVER find 12 jurors to convict this girl (and you can't) why even try? Why bother wasting all those taxpayer dollars on a loser?

You can try and get Haylie to agree to a deal, but it will all be a bluff on your part. And if she says fuck you to every offer, you are not going to court. Why prosecute when you have a losing case?

[sardis]

to give an idea of the job market right now

I just gave a guy that works for me a $5K raise, and that brings him to a total of $14K worth of raises working for me over the course of 3 years, and he told me point blank it should have been $10K more and he is now going to look for another job.

Now that might be an outlier, except I promoted another guy that reports to me , new job title change, larger bonus pool bucket, with a $6K pay increase on top of the $5K I gave him last year. With the bonus and pay increase, its probably a package worth a little north of $10K a year in salary increase.

Same thing, I should have given him $4K more and he can do better on the open job market or going to another position in the company.

In both cases I was pumped to talked to these guys thinking they would be thrilled with the bump in pay I got them - which I had to argue for, and they are like thanks for nothing.

I have to do 6 more before the end of next week, all of them smaller raises than this so its going to suck.

Workers certainly have leverage. If I lose either one of them, I won't hit my goals for next year, which will crush my performance evaluation with my boss.

This is not an outlier. It's crazy everywhere. But, you know, it should be. Good for those guys. Lower management and staff salaries haven't increased much over inflation the last 30 years i've been working. At our firm, us partners have never made more than we are making now. The clients, I serve, are making more money than they have ever. It's just most of my greedy bastard partners and clients have a hard time coming to the reality they need to pass the wealth down to staff. We increased everyone 10%, but you know, it may not be enough.

[eCat]

I just talked to my boss a few minutes ago and I'm going to give the first guy a $10K raise in June. We'll also bump his bonus pool so he should be happy.

The second guy , well, he is a great employee but he needs to read the room. I just bumped his salary more than $10K. I'm not prepared to go to bat for him twice in the same year

[innocentbystander]

I just talked to my boss a few minutes ago and I'm going to give the first guy a $10K raise in June. We'll also bump his bonus pool so he should be happy.

The second guy , well, he is a great employee but he needs to read the room. I just bumped his salary more than $10K. I'm not prepared to go to bat for him twice in the same year

eCat, question. You don't have to answer it, but I am curious.

Are you giving these guys raises because

• you know that the market will give them a raise if you don't
• they told you that they had a job offer to give them a raise and you have to match it
• they just threatened to leave if you didn't give them a raise
• all of the above
• none of the above (it was something else)

I only ask because I am usually on the other side of this. I don't ask for raises (ever) and I just expect that my employer knows my worth and rewards me adequately. When that doesn't happen (and the following scenario has happened 3 times) then I send out resumes, I get job offers with the raise I am supposed to get from my current employer (that they didn't automatically give me), I ask to talk to my boss privately and I give him/her my 2 week's notice, my boss is ALWAYS surprised, and they lose their shit and try to threaten me or blackmail me into staying. They act in some way like I am "abandoning" them. They are never happy for me. And they go out of their way to tell me that I am the asshole for not letting them know that I was sending out resumes.

I have heard some really awful, tug-at-your-heart-strings, threats.

[Jungle Rat]

Sounds like you're a little pussy

[innocentbystander]

Sounds like you're a little pussy

maybe, but I asked eCat

[Jungle Rat]

Push over

[hedge]

"I just expect that my employer knows my worth and rewards me adequately."

I always knew you were an idiot...

[hedge]

"And they go out of their way to tell me that I am the asshole"

I bet you get that a lot...

[DooKSucks]

to give an idea of the job market right now

I just gave a guy that works for me a $5K raise, and that brings him to a total of $14K worth of raises working for me over the course of 3 years, and he told me point blank it should have been $10K more and he is now going to look for another job.

Now that might be an outlier, except I promoted another guy that reports to me , new job title change, larger bonus pool bucket, with a $6K pay increase on top of the $5K I gave him last year. With the bonus and pay increase, its probably a package worth a little north of $10K a year in salary increase.

Same thing, I should have given him $4K more and he can do better on the open job market or going to another position in the company.

In both cases I was pumped to talked to these guys thinking they would be thrilled with the bump in pay I got them - which I had to argue for, and they are like thanks for nothing.

I have to do 6 more before the end of next week, all of them smaller raises than this so its going to suck.

Workers certainly have leverage. If I lose either one of them, I won't hit my goals for next year, which will crush my performance evaluation with my boss.

This is not an outlier. It's crazy everywhere. But, you know, it should be. Good for those guys. Lower management and staff salaries haven't increased much over inflation the last 30 years i've been working. At our firm, us partners have never made more than we are making now. The clients, I serve, are making more money than they have ever. It's just most of my greedy bastard partners and clients have a hard time coming to the reality they need to pass the wealth down to staff. We increased everyone 10%, but you know, it may not be enough.

I gave my paralegal a separate bonus apart from the firm’s bonus when we closed out our fiscal year, and you would have thought I had shot someone in cold blood judging by some of the reactions from other attorneys. I gave her — from my cut — enough that she would get the equivalent of an extra month’s take home pay. The other attorneys were running around scared that their staff would be pissed they didn’t do likewise until the sixty-seven year old senior partner stepped in, told them to quiet down and said he did the same thing in the past when he was going hard (he still brings in big money and cases but it’s mostly as a rainmaker). I am astonished at the way some folks treat their staff / employees. If you’re making money, you want continued loyalty and production from the people who help you, and you need to fucking pay them.

This is to say nothing of the morally decent part of the equation: if you make money, your employees deserve a cut if they did their part.

People are way too damn greedy, and I blame this bullshit on the Reagan / supply side / Friedman / “Chicago school” dipshits who came of age during the 80’s / still buy into that cult with the whole “greed is good” mantra. The fuckers forget the other side the equation and infected the world with their bullshit, leaving us with this fucked up situation the vast majority have not seen adequate increases in wages over the past 20-30 years.

The pendulum is turning and those dipshits didn’t study history enough to understand that there will be a societal / political shift in reaction. Their dipshit forefathers bitched and groaned about the New Deal and Great Society, but that’s nothing compared to what this current generation of right wing dipshits are causing. We are going to have regulation like, as many social safety nets and tax systems like European nations due to the forthcoming pendulum swing. The intellectual elites on the right know that, and that is why they have convinced their minions to partake in voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing and extreme legislation. The fuckers are trying to hold onto power and using unwitting rubes like IB, racists and the evangelical right to accomplish these tasks.

[innocentbystander]

"And they go out of their way to tell me that I am the asshole"

I bet you get that a lot...

No. Its just when I give no indication to my employer that I am looking for a new job until I find one. I am swell guy and do way more than is asked of me. So my bosses grow to depend on me and my absence, that is too much of a shock. So, they feel betrayed and call me an asshole because they figured I would just be happy with whatever they gave me. They misjudge me.

That's all.

If people want a raise, just go out and get your raise. We are all at-will. Simply use your ability to leave and get more money elsewhere. Then you get an ample raise. Simple as that.

[innocentbystander]

to give an idea of the job market right now

I just gave a guy that works for me a $5K raise, and that brings him to a total of $14K worth of raises working for me over the course of 3 years, and he told me point blank it should have been $10K more and he is now going to look for another job.

Now that might be an outlier, except I promoted another guy that reports to me , new job title change, larger bonus pool bucket, with a $6K pay increase on top of the $5K I gave him last year. With the bonus and pay increase, its probably a package worth a little north of $10K a year in salary increase.

Same thing, I should have given him $4K more and he can do better on the open job market or going to another position in the company.

In both cases I was pumped to talked to these guys thinking they would be thrilled with the bump in pay I got them - which I had to argue for, and they are like thanks for nothing.

I have to do 6 more before the end of next week, all of them smaller raises than this so its going to suck.

Workers certainly have leverage. If I lose either one of them, I won't hit my goals for next year, which will crush my performance evaluation with my boss.

This is not an outlier. It's crazy everywhere. But, you know, it should be. Good for those guys. Lower management and staff salaries haven't increased much over inflation the last 30 years i've been working. At our firm, us partners have never made more than we are making now. The clients, I serve, are making more money than they have ever. It's just most of my greedy bastard partners and clients have a hard time coming to the reality they need to pass the wealth down to staff. We increased everyone 10%, but you know, it may not be enough.

I gave my paralegal a separate bonus apart from the firm’s bonus when we closed out our fiscal year, and you would have thought I had shot someone in cold blood judging by some of the reactions from other attorneys. I gave her — from my cut — enough that she would get the equivalent of an extra month’s take home pay. The other attorneys were running around scared that their staff would be pissed they didn’t do likewise until the sixty-seven year old senior partner stepped in, told them to quiet down and said he did the same thing in the past when he was going hard (he still brings in big money and cases but it’s mostly as a rainmaker). I am astonished at the way some folks treat their staff / employees. If you’re making money, you want continued loyalty and production from the people who help you, and you need to fucking pay them.

This is to say nothing of the morally decent part of the equation: if you make money, your employees deserve a cut if they did their part.

People are way too damn greedy, and I blame this bullshit on the Reagan / supply side / Friedman / “Chicago school” dipshits who came of age during the 80’s / still buy into that cult with the whole “greed is good” mantra. The fuckers forget the other side the equation and infected the world with their bullshit, leaving us with this fucked up situation the vast majority have not seen adequate increases in wages over the past 20-30 years.

The pendulum is turning and those dipshits didn’t study history enough to understand that there will be a societal / political shift in reaction. Their dipshit forefathers bitched and groaned about the New Deal and Great Society, but that’s nothing compared to what this current generation of right wing dipshits are causing. We are going to have regulation like, as many social safety nets and tax systems like European nations due to the forthcoming pendulum swing. The intellectual elites on the right know that, and that is why they have convinced their minions to partake in voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing and extreme legislation. The fuckers are trying to hold onto power and using unwitting rubes like IB, racists and the evangelical right to accomplish these tasks.

Wit I have. I know you also have wit, but you are not using it now.

Racists probably don't care that business is struggling to hire people. The evangelical right, they probably don't care that business is struggling to hire people. Stay on topic. You'd do better to cease bundling issues together that have no business being in any argument you are making on the current job market. Your mind numbing politics turns any argument you might have had into a rant. Don't do that counsellor.

There is a super labor shortage. Kids are getting $19.75 an hour in Phoenix to flip burgers. And still, they don't have enough labor. There is a help wanted sign in every window of every operating business. This has nothing to do with the right wing dipshits, Reagan, supply side, Friedman, or the “Chicago school.” This has NOTHING to do with politics. Its something ELSE counsellor.

Let me give you a hint: if you are sick and tired of being yelled at by a boss, sick and tired of not getting enough time off from work, BUT you do have a working car and a flexible lifestyle, wouldn't you rather just drive an Uber 12 hours a day (say 3 days a week) and have 4 days off every week and make $60K a year working for yourself rather than punching a time clock? You could make that kind of money with a felony record. Seems perfectly logical to me. Now, multiply that logical decision by about 5,000,000 people who would rather "gig" to make money than be employees, and you don't need to understand Milton Freidman or the "Chicago school" to understand that management (that needs employees) are completely fucked right now. What could corporate America offer someone who would rather "gig" than be an employee? I can't think of anything.

As I said earlier, I have two close friends who lost their jobs as managers because their teams are not producing enough right now. They had no worker bees because everyone quit and they couldn't find anyone to hire. Cost them their jobs and their companies simply folded those departments. Now they are no worse for the ware. They both found other jobs almost immediately. So financially it didn't cost them anything. But it still stings DS to have to do that.

[Jungle Rat]

This is not an outlier. It's crazy everywhere. But, you know, it should be. Good for those guys. Lower management and staff salaries haven't increased much over inflation the last 30 years i've been working. At our firm, us partners have never made more than we are making now. The clients, I serve, are making more money than they have ever. It's just most of my greedy bastard partners and clients have a hard time coming to the reality they need to pass the wealth down to staff. We increased everyone 10%, but you know, it may not be enough.

I gave my paralegal a separate bonus apart from the firm’s bonus when we closed out our fiscal year, and you would have thought I had shot someone in cold blood judging by some of the reactions from other attorneys. I gave her — from my cut — enough that she would get the equivalent of an extra month’s take home pay. The other attorneys were running around scared that their staff would be pissed they didn’t do likewise until the sixty-seven year old senior partner stepped in, told them to quiet down and said he did the same thing in the past when he was going hard (he still brings in big money and cases but it’s mostly as a rainmaker). I am astonished at the way some folks treat their staff / employees. If you’re making money, you want continued loyalty and production from the people who help you, and you need to fucking pay them.

This is to say nothing of the morally decent part of the equation: if you make money, your employees deserve a cut if they did their part.

People are way too damn greedy, and I blame this bullshit on the Reagan / supply side / Friedman / “Chicago school” dipshits who came of age during the 80’s / still buy into that cult with the whole “greed is good” mantra. The fuckers forget the other side the equation and infected the world with their bullshit, leaving us with this fucked up situation the vast majority have not seen adequate increases in wages over the past 20-30 years.

The pendulum is turning and those dipshits didn’t study history enough to understand that there will be a societal / political shift in reaction. Their dipshit forefathers bitched and groaned about the New Deal and Great Society, but that’s nothing compared to what this current generation of right wing dipshits are causing. We are going to have regulation like, as many social safety nets and tax systems like European nations due to the forthcoming pendulum swing. The intellectual elites on the right know that, and that is why they have convinced their minions to partake in voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing and extreme legislation. The fuckers are trying to hold onto power and using unwitting rubes like IB, racists and the evangelical right to accomplish these tasks.

Wit I have. I know you also have wit, but you are not using it now.

Racists probably don't care that business is struggling to hire people. The evangelical right, they probably don't care that business is struggling to hire people. Stay on topic. You'd do better to cease bundling issues together that have no business being in any argument you are making on the current job market. Your mind numbing politics turns any argument you might have had into a rant. Don't do that counsellor.

There is a super labor shortage. Kids are getting $19.75 an hour in Phoenix to flip burgers. And still, they don't have enough labor. There is a help wanted sign in every window of every operating business. This has nothing to do with the right wing dipshits, Reagan, supply side, Friedman, or the “Chicago school.” This has NOTHING to do with politics. Its something ELSE counsellor.

Let me give you a hint: if you are sick and tired of being yelled at by a boss, sick and tired of not getting enough time off from work, BUT you do have a working car and a flexible lifestyle, wouldn't you rather just drive an Uber 12 hours a day (say 3 days a week) and have 4 days off every week and make $60K a year working for yourself rather than punching a time clock? You could make that kind of money with a felony record. Seems perfectly logical to me. Now, multiply that logical decision by about 5,000,000 people who would rather "gig" to make money than be employees, and you don't need to understand Milton Freidman or the "Chicago school" to understand that management (that needs employees) are completely fucked right now. What could corporate America offer someone who would rather "gig" than be an employee? I can't think of anything.

As I said earlier, I have two close friends who lost their jobs as managers because their teams are not producing enough right now. They had no worker bees because everyone quit and they couldn't find anyone to hire. Cost them their jobs and their companies simply folded those departments. Now they are no worse for the ware. They both found other jobs almost immediately. So financially it didn't cost them anything. But it still stings DS to have to do that.

Swell

[hedge]

" I am swell guy and do way more than is asked of me."

I've been asking for more cruiser twink porn for months and you haven't produced...

[sardis]

"People are way too damn greedy, and I blame this bullshit on the Reagan / supply side / Friedman / “Chicago school” dipshits who came of age during the 80’s / still buy into that cult with the whole “greed is good” mantra. The fuckers forget the other side the equation and infected the world with their bullshit, leaving us with this fucked up situation the vast majority have not seen adequate increases in wages over the past 20-30 years."

Don't blame Reagan on the suppression of wages, blame the bi-partisan NAFTA, globalism, and the pro immigration billionaires on Wall Street and Silicon Valley including the Kochs. Your connecting billionaires to Republicans. That's outdated thinking. The vast majority of billionaires support the Democratic party these days. There is nothing these guys would love more to have mass immigration to lower their labor costs. Liberals love immigration because it gives them more votes so the Bernie Sanders and the AOCs will hold their nose and support the Biden wing while to hell with workers. The revolution started with electing Trump. Trump may be disliked and gone, but people love his stance on immigration, climate and China to protect their livelihoods. They are voting with their feet and leaving the states and cities that are socialist.

[eCat]

yea, and I have to believe that Democrats give lip services to Unions. I hate that Republicans are actively against Unions, especially when you see the demographics of their voters, but you see first hand what Trump hater and gazillionaire Bezo's feels about having to pay his people a living wage with employee focused working conditions. He ain't having it.

[eCat]

I just talked to my boss a few minutes ago and I'm going to give the first guy a $10K raise in June. We'll also bump his bonus pool so he should be happy.

The second guy , well, he is a great employee but he needs to read the room. I just bumped his salary more than $10K. I'm not prepared to go to bat for him twice in the same year

eCat, question. You don't have to answer it, but I am curious.

Are you giving these guys raises because

• you know that the market will give them a raise if you don't
• they told you that they had a job offer to give them a raise and you have to match it
• they just threatened to leave if you didn't give them a raise
• all of the above
• none of the above (it was something else)

I only ask because I am usually on the other side of this. I don't ask for raises (ever) and I just expect that my employer knows my worth and rewards me adequately. When that doesn't happen (and the following scenario has happened 3 times) then I send out resumes, I get job offers with the raise I am supposed to get from my current employer (that they didn't automatically give me), I ask to talk to my boss privately and I give him/her my 2 week's notice, my boss is ALWAYS surprised, and they lose their shit and try to threaten me or blackmail me into staying. They act in some way like I am "abandoning" them. They are never happy for me. And they go out of their way to tell me that I am the asshole for not letting them know that I was sending out resumes.

I have heard some really awful, tug-at-your-heart-strings, threats.

We can't find workers, so I asked my VP yesterday

look, if we were looking to hire a guy with 10 years experience, who knew our processes and products, would we hire him at X amount? He knew immediately where I was going wih my questoin and he agreed we would, so the next obvious question is then why aren't we paying this guy that amount? Its easier to keep a good employee than to hire one.

I know the guy is worth X on the market ( I don't want to get into specific but its over $100K) and he could find a job. So right now he has big leverage.

That said, I don't want to put him in a position where 2 years from now when the job market balances out and you can find workers again that we can find a replacement worker for $30K less. The other part of this is , assuming he is still working for me in 5 years, he better not come to me again with the I'm not paid enough routine. My experience is in an organization this size, you can't go to the well twice. I suspect that is going to happen however if the market continues to grow and there is a lack of experience STEM workers.

Sadly, I'm geting to that point so at my age, I constantly have to make sure I am adding value and creating opportunities within the organization due to my salary. I have 20 years experience, but a guy with 10 can probably do my job, so the company is paying me for an overhead of 10 years salary.

I had a guy working for me that was a few years from retirement, making serious money. His yearly bonus was almost what we hire kids right out college, and he had got to the point where he was only doing work that he was good at, that was low effort. The reality was I could hire a guy making half what he made and be more productive. So raise time came around and I gave the guy essentially a cost of living - which I wasn't even supposed to do, I was told to give him nothing.

So here is a guy making about $105K more a year than his boss (me) which happens. I don't hold a grudge - he has put in him time and managed himself to where he got to this point so more power to him. But he'd become lazy in thinking that he could just do stuff that he was good at and the company would continue to value him for it. So management wanted me to essentially let him go which I pushed back on, then they told me to not give him a raise, which I ignored and gave him enough money so that he didn't lose year over year. During our annual meeting where I give him his raise similar to what I was talking about earlier, he fucking unloads on me, telling me how I'm the worst boss he has ever had, how he can't work for me, borderline accused me of being age discriminatory (and here I am in my 50's) and he went to HR to file a grievance on my evaluation of him. I chose not to tell him about any discussions I had with management - that would be bad for me so I just nodded my head during his rant and let him think I had this personal vendetta against him. I did discuss with him the average salary of a person doing what he does but his response was he was part of another team, not those losers so that went no where.

Fast forward 3 months later, he goes to work for another group and transfers out of mine. I asked him was he sure because his new boss had a history of getting rid of workers who don't perform. His new boss wtihin a year transferred him to another boss in their organization and about 6 months after that the new boss fired him. There was more to the story, we knew he was running his wife's real estate business during working hours. It wasn't an accusation I wanted to pursue because of the veiled threats of age discrimination, so I considered it a blessing he left me.

[eCat]

to give an idea of the job market right now

I just gave a guy that works for me a $5K raise, and that brings him to a total of $14K worth of raises working for me over the course of 3 years, and he told me point blank it should have been $10K more and he is now going to look for another job.

Now that might be an outlier, except I promoted another guy that reports to me , new job title change, larger bonus pool bucket, with a $6K pay increase on top of the $5K I gave him last year. With the bonus and pay increase, its probably a package worth a little north of $10K a year in salary increase.

Same thing, I should have given him $4K more and he can do better on the open job market or going to another position in the company.

In both cases I was pumped to talked to these guys thinking they would be thrilled with the bump in pay I got them - which I had to argue for, and they are like thanks for nothing.

I have to do 6 more before the end of next week, all of them smaller raises than this so its going to suck.

Workers certainly have leverage. If I lose either one of them, I won't hit my goals for next year, which will crush my performance evaluation with my boss.

This is not an outlier. It's crazy everywhere. But, you know, it should be. Good for those guys. Lower management and staff salaries haven't increased much over inflation the last 30 years i've been working. At our firm, us partners have never made more than we are making now. The clients, I serve, are making more money than they have ever. It's just most of my greedy bastard partners and clients have a hard time coming to the reality they need to pass the wealth down to staff. We increased everyone 10%, but you know, it may not be enough.

I gave my paralegal a separate bonus apart from the firm’s bonus when we closed out our fiscal year, and you would have thought I had shot someone in cold blood judging by some of the reactions from other attorneys. I gave her — from my cut — enough that she would get the equivalent of an extra month’s take home pay. The other attorneys were running around scared that their staff would be pissed they didn’t do likewise until the sixty-seven year old senior partner stepped in, told them to quiet down and said he did the same thing in the past when he was going hard (he still brings in big money and cases but it’s mostly as a rainmaker). I am astonished at the way some folks treat their staff / employees. If you’re making money, you want continued loyalty and production from the people who help you, and you need to fucking pay them.

This is to say nothing of the morally decent part of the equation: if you make money, your employees deserve a cut if they did their part.

People are way too damn greedy, and I blame this bullshit on the Reagan / supply side / Friedman / “Chicago school” dipshits who came of age during the 80’s / still buy into that cult with the whole “greed is good” mantra. The fuckers forget the other side the equation and infected the world with their bullshit, leaving us with this fucked up situation the vast majority have not seen adequate increases in wages over the past 20-30 years.

The pendulum is turning and those dipshits didn’t study history enough to understand that there will be a societal / political shift in reaction. Their dipshit forefathers bitched and groaned about the New Deal and Great Society, but that’s nothing compared to what this current generation of right wing dipshits are causing. We are going to have regulation like, as many social safety nets and tax systems like European nations due to the forthcoming pendulum swing. The intellectual elites on the right know that, and that is why they have convinced their minions to partake in voter suppression, gerrymandering, court packing and extreme legislation. The fuckers are trying to hold onto power and using unwitting rubes like IB, racists and the evangelical right to accomplish these tasks.

good on your for doling out some money, I would consider it an investment that will pay you back 2 fold or more in a few years