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[puterbac]

[quote="Dr. Strangelove"]Yep, 57 states.

And speaking of that, if you listen to enough conservative talk radio, the "57 states" thing gets brought up ALL the time.

Michelle Bachman was proud to be in John Wayne Gacy's hometown.
Oh yeah?? Well, Obama once said there were 57 states. Fuckin IDIOT!!

Michelle Bachman said it was an "interesting coincidence" that the countries two swin flu outbreaks both happened under Democratic Presidents. Except that the first actually occured under Ford. And she never retracted or corrected herself.
Oh yeah?? Well, Obama once said there were 57 states. Fuckin IDIOT!!

Michelle Bachman said that the "Lion King" was actively promoting homosexuality because its soundtrack included a song by a gay man
Oh yeah?? Well, Obama once said there were 57 states. Fuckin IDIOT!!

Pretty sure the pt of all that is the national harps on when an r says something dumb while a dim gets away with it.

[TheBigMook]

I thought the point was that Republicans are two dum.

[Hacksaw]

Long as you're disparaging the Tea party, no big deal.

Some of them in Congress right now with this Tea Party movement would love to see you and me -- I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman -- hanging on a tree.


Andre Carson D-Indiana

There's no way in hell Andre Carson really believes that. No way in hell people like Mook believe it. They're just falling back on a tried and true tactic that precludes addressing real issues: the race card. People like Allen West, Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas get zero respect from the left. It's not about race -- it's about politics. Plain and simple.

[Toemeesleather]

For somebody that believes income alone determines the poverty rate....I don't know..

[Hacksaw]

Well, they might be fooling themselves. But deep down, they know they're full of shit and just trying to avoid a discussion based on facts and logic. Emotion is so much easier.

[Jungle Rat]

Name me the last time the pubs had a "discussion based on facts and logic."

[Jungle Rat]

The fact is the pubs are still so upset about losing the presidential election they'd rather let this country go to shit instead of try to fix what Bush created.

[MackDaddyT]

All right youse losers, the prodigal son has returned.

It's football season, what the hell do you expect?

[AugustWest]

Citing a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Obama administration is suing a trucking company for taking the keys away from an Arkansas driver and eventually firing him after he admitted he was battling alcohol abuse.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09 ... z1Wpks6c1p

[billy bob bocephus]

bush created obama? could be, could be...

[Dr. Strangelove]

I find this article representative of how conservatives view the poor.

Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ ... rican.html

[Big Orange Junky]

I don't see anything offensive in that article. It's pretty good as a matter of fact and brings to bear some good points.

[Hacksaw]

It's not my contention that Republicans always use facts and logic. I was talking specifically about the way libs use issues like race, sexism and the environment as decoys to avoid real debate.

[Big Orange Junky]

Speaking of the liberal media, NBC has edited a clip to claim one of the candidates called oprama a racist name. It was an edit, and they blatantly cut off the sound and claimed he was talking about something he wasn't even talking about.

Here's the link, it shows how NBC aired it, and it shows the origional clip.

Shameful but expected.

[Jungle Rat]

Is bb retarded? Cause if so, I will only throw softballs from this point on.

[Professor Tiger]

Fair. I have often been amazed at the degree of hostility that PNN conservatives feel towards not only the poor, but the working class.

Can someone define working class for me? Thanks.

A working class person is someone who works for relatively low wages, is usually paid by the hour, and is generally despised by PNN conservatives for being lazy and mooching off the productivity of their bosses.

[Toemeesleather]

Highest since 1984...why does Obammer hate black people?

[puterbac]

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President Zero

Read his lips: No new jobs.

Fred Barnes

September 12, 2011, Vol. 16, No. 48
'The simplest question,” Dick Cheney writes in his memoir In My Time, “is the most important one.” He mentions this in the context of asking how many American nukes were aimed at Kiev during the Cold War. For President Obama, with job growth stuck near zero, the simplest question is a domestic one. How do you think jobs are created?

This has never been asked of Obama and never answered, so far as I know. And chances are he won’t answer it definitively when he unveils his new jobs program before a joint session of Congress this week.

But there are big clues from his prior policies and the batch of ideas now emanating from the White House. The president believes government is the premier job creator. Why? One reason is government understands markets better than the private sector, so long as the right people are in charge, like Obama himself.

“You can’t just make money on SUVs and trucks,” he said at a town hall meeting in Cannon Falls, Minnesota, on August 15. “As gas prices keep going up, you’ve got to understand the market.” Having bailed out Chrysler and GM, he instructed them to invest in electric cars and added, “We put investments” in advanced batteries. “It creates jobs.”

There you have it. U.S. auto companies would be producing more SUVs and trucks, both popular with car buyers, and fewer electric cars if Obama hadn’t intervened. That practically nobody, except the federal government, is lining up to buy electric cars—that’s seemingly irrelevant to the president. What’s important is that Obama—government—knows what’s best for the future of the auto industry.

Despite propping up car companies, Obama generally believes consumers are more reliable job creators than producers are. There’s no empirical evidence for this—quite the contrary—but Obama is unfazed. In his stimulus package in 2009, he included tax cuts for the poor and middle class. This year, he cut the payroll tax by 2 percentage points, though the well-off were excluded. He’s extended unemployment benefits to 99 weeks.

That private sector hiring has ground to a near-halt with the payroll tax reduction and longer jobless payments in effect hasn’t changed his thinking. He said last week his new jobs plan “will be laying out a series of steps that Congress can take immediately to put more money in the pockets of working families and middle-class families.”

What will these steps produce? They will “make it easier for small businesses to hire people, to put construction crews to work rebuilding our nation’s roads and railways and airports, [along with] all the other measures that can help grow this economy.” Sounds familiar.

Obama is especially fond of unemployment benefits as a job creator. His press secretary, Jay Carney, echoed his view in explaining how this works and insisting it would create up to one million jobs.

“It is one of the most direct ways to infuse money into the economy because people who are unemployed and obviously aren’t earning a paycheck are going to spend the money that they get,” according to Carney. “That money goes directly back into the economy, dollar for dollar virtually. .  .  . Every place that money is spent has added business, and that creates growth and income for businesses that then lead them to making decisions about jobs, more hiring.”

Can it really be that easy? Just hand out money to tens of millions of Americans and the economy experiences a growth spurt and the unemployment rate falls? The problem is it’s never worked that way. It didn’t on two occasions for President George W. Bush and hasn’t for Obama. Subsidizing “green jobs” is another expensive Obama favorite that’s failed.

It’s worth noting these programs are temporary and targeted. The president prefers that approach. It has the value of keeping the government in control. Permanent, broad-based tax rate cuts for individuals and corporations would shift control to the private sector. This was the Ronald Reagan approach. It spurred a stronger and quicker economic recovery than Obama’s efforts have.

The president’s blind spot is the mountain of impediments and disincentives to job creation he’s erected. An obsession with raising taxes on the well-to-do is only one of them. Yet these are the people with the wherewithal to invest in new ventures that create jobs.

Another is his tireless campaign to increase the power of unions, though where unions flourish there tends to be slower economic growth and less job creation. But organized labor backs the president with money and union workers as he’s seeking reelection. Compared with that, job growth is secondary.

Then there are regulations, some already in effect and many more on their way. If Obama consulted entrepreneurs and the small business community, he’d discover regulations are a bigger hindrance.

House majority leader Eric Cantor issued a list of 10 “job-destroying regulations” Republicans aim to rescind or block from being implemented. The president may not have checked the list, but last week he ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to withdraw its proposed “ozone rule.” Cantor said it is “possibly the most harmful of all the currently anticipated Obama administration regulations.” Sidelining it was tacit recognition of its negative impact on job creation.

When Cheney asked in 1989 about the number of nuclear warheads targeted on Kiev, it turned out there were dozens. “It was time to rationalize our nuclear targeting,” he writes. Now the issue is Obama’s concept of job creation. And it’s time to rationalize that too, replacing government schemes with incentives for private investment in economic growth.

Fred Barnes is executive editor at The Weekly Standard.

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September 5, 2011
Obama Speech Fiasco Shows "Audacity of Weakness"

By Michael Barone
I can't remember a more stunning rebuke of a president by a congressional leader than House Speaker John Boehner's refusal to agree to President Barack Obama's demand -- er, request -- that he summon a joint session of Congress to hear the president's latest speech on the economy at 8 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, Sept. 7.

Obama's request was regarded as a clever move by some wiseguys in the left blogosphere because that was the exact time of a long-scheduled Republican presidential candidate debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. Take that, you guys!

But Boehner smoothly responded that with Congress reconvening late that afternoon, the security sweep necessary for a presidential visit would be impossible and invited the president to speak Thursday. White House officials quickly agreed, scheduling the speech at 7 p.m. EDT to avoid overlap with the first game of the National Football League season.

Not such a big deal, some people are saying. I disagree. I think it illustrates several of the weaknesses of this presidency.

One is a lack of regard for the Constitution. Congress is a separate branch of government, set up by Article 1 of the Constitution, which is not about the executive branch as Joe Biden said in the 2008 vice presidential debate. (Media outfits that dispatched dozens of investigative reporters to Alaska were apparently incapable of discovering this obvious error.)

Before last week, presidents and congressional leaders always agreed privately on scheduling presidential addresses to joint sessions before any public announcement was made. But it appears that no such agreement was made here, just a brusque announcement that had to be retracted.

Another weakness on display was contempt for public opinion. White House press secretary Jay Carney said it was just "coincidental" that the president wanted to speak at the same time as the debate. It was just "one debate of many that's on one channel of many."

But those with memories that go back beyond last week may recall that in May 2009, Obama scrambled to find a venue for a speech at exactly the same time as former Vice President Dick Cheney was scheduled to speak at the American Enterprise Institute on detainee questioning issues. Cheney coolly watched Obama on television and then delivered his own speech.

Ham-handedly trying to bigfoot the opposition is a habit with this president, not a coincidence.

A third Obama weakness is his propensity to charge his political opponents with playing politics when he is doing exactly that himself. In previewing this latest jobs-and-the-economy speech, Carney said that Obama will make the case "that politics is broken and that politics is getting in the way of the very necessary things we need to do."

This from the president who has brushed aside one bipartisan initiative after another, from the health care initiative of Sens. Ron Wyden and Bob Bennett to the recommendations of his own deficit commission, headed by Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson.

Instead, he has taken a purely partisan course on one issue after another -- and heaped blame on Republicans. He invited House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan to his speech at George Washington University and then lambasted him harshly.

Obama has been so consistently blaming Republicans in recent months for not approving the free trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia and Panama that it came as an utter surprise to his deputy press secretary, Josh Earnest, that he hasn't sent them to Congress yet.

The fourth weakness is failure to come up with policies that address situations appropriately. Press briefings suggest that Obama next week will call for an extension of the payroll tax holiday and of unemployment benefits. A case can be made for both, but neither has invigorated the economy yet.

We also hear that he may call for more infrastructure spending. But as the president himself told us, laughing, there aren't actually any shovel-ready projects.

The New York Times reports he may call for "school repairs and retrofitting buildings for energy efficiency." This sounds suspiciously like the weatherization program under which Seattle got $20 million and produced just 14 jobs.

Democrats have criticized Obama on the speech-scheduling flap. James Carville said he was "out of bounds." Salon.com's Cenk Uygur sensed "the audacity of weakness." It reminds me of a phrase describing a character in the 1980s TV series "Dallas" -- "blustering, opportunistic, craven and hopelessly ineffective all at once." 

Copyright 2011, Creators Syndicate Inc.

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[sardis]

Such rhetoric...someone's going to get hurt...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... s_out.html