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[Professor Tiger]

I'm a Hobo and you're Harry Whittington.

I'm Harry Callahan and you're the whiney guy who pays people to beat him up.

[GBJs]

This is more like Harry and Sally

[Jungle Rat]

I counter with Bevis & Butthead.

[puterbac]

What income tax did he cut? He signed an extension of w which kept rates the same.

You ask, you receive

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/po ... taxes.html

Maybe I missed but what tax was cut? Withholding appears to have been changed, but did they lower bottom rate?

That article get real specific did it? Just asking

[puterbac]

Lawrence Solomon: Science getting settled

Lawrence Solomon  Aug 26, 2011 – 11:37 PM ET | Last Updated: Aug 27, 2011 10:08 PM ET

New, convincing evidence indicates global warming is caused by cosmic rays and the sun — not humans

The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.

The research, published with little fanfare this week in the prestigious journal Nature, comes from über-prestigious CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, one of the world’s largest centres for scientific research involving 60 countries and 8,000 scientists at more than 600 universities and national laboratories. CERN is the organization that invented the World Wide Web, that built the multi-billion dollar Large Hadron Collider, and that has now built a pristinely clean stainless steel chamber that precisely recreated the Earth’s atmosphere.

In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes have done what global warming doomsayers said could never be done — demonstrate that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules that in Earth’s atmosphere can grow and seed clouds, the cloudier and thus cooler it will be. Because the sun’s magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth’s atmosphere (the stronger the sun’s magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth.

The hypothesis that cosmic rays and the sun hold the key to the global warming debate has been Enemy No. 1 to the global warming establishment ever since it was first proposed by two scientists from the Danish Space Research Institute, at a 1996 scientific conference in the U.K. Within one day, the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Bert Bolin, denounced the theory, saying, “I find the move from this pair scientifically extremely naive and irresponsible.” He then set about discrediting the theory, any journalist that gave the theory cre dence, and most of all the Danes presenting the theory — they soon found themselves vilified, marginalized and starved of funding, despite their impeccable scientific credentials.

The mobilization to rally the press against the Danes worked brilliantly, with one notable exception. Nigel Calder, a former editor of The New Scientist who attended that 1996 conference, would not be cowed. Himself a physicist, Mr. Calder became convinced of the merits of the argument and a year later, following a lecture he gave at a CERN conference, so too did Jasper Kirkby, a CERN scientist in attendance. Mr. Kirkby then convinced the CERN bureaucracy of the theory’s importance and developed a plan to create a cloud chamber — he called it CLOUD, for “Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets.”

But Mr. Kirkby made the same tactical error that the Danes had — not realizing how politicized the global warming issue was, he candidly shared his views with the scientific community.

“The theory will probably be able to account for somewhere between a half and the whole of the increase in the Earth’s temperature that we have seen in the last century,” Mr. Kirkby told the scientific press in 1998, explaining that global warming may be part of a natural cycle in the Earth’s temperature.

The global warming establishment sprang into action, pressured the Western governments that control CERN, and almost immediately succeeded in suspending CLOUD. It took Mr. Kirkby almost a decade of negotiation with his superiors, and who knows how many compromises and unspoken commitments, to convince the CERN bureaucracy to allow the project to proceed. And years more to create the cloud chamber and convincingly validate the Danes’ groundbreaking theory.

Yet this spectacular success will be largely unrecognized by the general public for years — this column will be the first that most readers have heard of it — because CERN remains too afraid of offending its government masters to admit its success. Weeks ago, CERN formerly decided to muzzle Mr. Kirby and other members of his team to avoid “the highly political arena of the climate change debate,” telling them “to present the results clearly but not interpret them” and to downplay the results by “mak[ing] clear that cosmic radiation is only one of many parameters.” The CERN study and press release is written in bureaucratese and the version of Mr. Kirkby’s study that appears in the print edition of Nature censored the most eye-popping graph — only those who know where to look in an online supplement will see the striking potency of cosmic rays in creating the conditions for seeding clouds.

CERN, and the Danes, have in all likelihood found the path to the Holy Grail of climate science. But the religion of climate science won’t yet permit a celebration of the find.

Financial Post

LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com

- Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and author of The Deniers: The world-renowned scientists who stood up against global warming hysteria, political persecution, and fraud.

First of two parts. Next week: The end of the global warming debate.

To see the striking graph that the journal Nature withheld from its print edition, click here.

[sardis]

The oprama SS w/h plan is a legitimate tax cut for both the poor and the rich.

[10ac]

Velly eenteresting article, Puter.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The cold hand of science has always shown that to increase public safety, give people guns.

[TheBigMook]

/nodding head/

Yuhp, thats how they done it Deadwood, by gawd!

[Professor Tiger]

The next generation will someday look at today's man-made global warming religion the same way we look back at '70's disco, platform shoes and avocado shag carpeting.

[sardis]

Well, at least there are some who are happy as to the direction of this country...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/08/3 ... 3020110830

[TheBigMook]

If only he had a hand gun...(though chances are pretty good he was armed)... then he would have died like a man.

http://news.yahoo.com/city-councilman-k ... 26741.html

[Professor Tiger]

Happy Eid ul-Fitr!

Eid Mubarak!

[GBJs]

If only he had a hand gun...(though chances are pretty good he was armed)... then he would have died like a man.

http://news.yahoo.com/city-councilman-k ... 26741.html

No one said bad people didn't use guns to do bad things. That's why rope was invented.

[bluetick]

It's what I've been saying all along. Corporations claim they're scared of the boogeyman in the WH - but that's their sorry excuse for not hiring, when instead they can get more hours and more profit out of their beleagured workers.

http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2011/08/ ... -not-hires

[Big Orange Junky]

Mook, sorry but the science doesn't back you up on this.

The more gun control you have the more violent crime goes up. It has been shown in several studies and before and after statistics of violent crime such as home invasions etc.

When you have concealed carry and loosen the restrictions on law abiding people to carry guns and have acces to them voilent crime decreases.

That's just the way it is.

[TheBigMook]

You should probably tell virtually every other first world country about your wicked awesome science, BOJ.

[Big Orange Junky]

Mook, sorry but it's true. You don't have to like something for it to be true.

The violent crime in Austrailia skyrocketed when they implemented the gun ban and home invasions with people at home went through the roof as well. The criminals knew only they had the guns.

Florida is a case study in the US, the carjackings sharply declined after concealed carry and the attacks on tourists in rental cars went up. The reason? Florida didn't recognize other states right to carry so they went to getting the tourist.

I have all kinds of info and statistics that I will post for you either this week or sometime this weekend.

The best deterent of violent crime is an armed citizen.

[Big Orange Junky]

Here ya go

"* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."2
* Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." 3
* England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4"

There is some info from Gunowners of America, all with cites. The New York Times and USA Today among them.

link http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm

[Big Orange Junky]

"According to the study, published last year in The Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, European nations with more guns had lower murder rates. "

From the New York Times

Here's the link, it's in an article after the SCOTUS struck down the handgun ban in DC. DC's crime rate has actually went up after the ban as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/weeki ... gewanted=1

That article had some good stuff in it, and it also had the liberals attempt to whitewash the facts in it as well.

I also have the statistics from the US gubment showing that more kids are killed in bathtubs, car wrecks, buckets and many other things than are killed with guns. This is from my own presentation on the management of firearms trauma and how it is changing and evolving. It was a Grand Rounds presentation. I can get you those numbers as well. You would be shocked at all the things that kill more children every year than guns.