Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Jungle Rat]

I fell yesterday. Tripped over the damn cat. Nobody cared

[BigRedMan]

Is the cat okay?

[Jungle Rat]

Fuck you.

[bluetick]

Mueller: "I'm not allowed to say the president committed a crime. I CAN say the president didn't not commit any crimes."

Prez Manbaby: "See? EXONERATED!"

[Professor Tiger]

Mueller: "I can't not hypothetically deny that Trump might not have maybe not have possibly not obstructed justice maybe."

Best... articles... of impeachment... ever.

THIS IS IT!!! IMPEACH TRUMP NOW!!!

[Toemeesleather]

Until today, I have defended Mueller against the accusations that he is a partisan. I did not believe that he personally favored either the Democrats or the Republicans, or had a point of view on whether President Trump should be impeached. But I have now changed my mind. By putting his thumb, indeed his elbow, on the scale of justice in favor of impeachment based on obstruction of justice, Mueller has revealed his partisan bias. He also has distorted the critical role of a prosecutor in our justice system.

Virtually everybody agrees that, in the normal case, a prosecutor should never go beyond publicly disclosing that there is insufficient evidence to indict. No responsible prosecutor should ever suggest that the subject of his investigation might indeed be guilty even if there was insufficient evidence or other reasons not to indict. Supporters of Mueller will argue that this is not an ordinary case, that he is not an ordinary prosecutor and that President Trump is not an ordinary subject of an investigation. They are wrong. The rules should not be any different.

Remember that federal investigations by prosecutors, including special counsels, are by their very nature one-sided. They hear only evidence of guilt and not exculpatory evidence. Their witnesses are not subject to the adversarial process. There is no cross examination. The evidence is taken in secret behind the closed doors of a grand jury. For that very reason, prosecutors can only conclude whether there is sufficient evidence to commence a prosecution. They are not in a position to decide whether the subject of the investigation is guilty or is innocent of any crimes.

That determination of guilt or innocence requires a full adversarial trial with a zealous defense attorney, vigorous cross examination, exclusionary rules of evidence and other due process safeguards. Such safeguards were not present in this investigation, and so the suggestion by Mueller that Trump might well be guilty deserves no credence. His statement, so inconsistent with his long history, will be used to partisan advantage by Democrats, especially all those radicals who are seeking impeachment.

No prosecutor should ever say or do anything for the purpose of helping one party or the other. I cannot imagine a plausible reason why Mueller went beyond his report and gratuitously suggested that President Trump might be guilty, except to help Democrats in Congress and to encourage impeachment talk and action. Shame on Mueller for abusing his position of trust and for allowing himself to be used for such partisan advantage.

Alan M. Dershowitz

[bluetick]

"O.J. Simspon is innocent because the jury said so."

-Alan M. Dershowitz

[hedge]

"That determination of guilt or innocence requires a full adversarial trial with a zealous defense attorney, vigorous cross examination, exclusionary rules of evidence and other due process safeguards."

Mueller's entire point was that, under DOJ policy by which he felt bound, this could not happen, which is why he didn't indict. I think he was just tired of seeing Barr mis-characterize, to say the least, a report that he spent a lot of time and care in preparing. Barr outright lied when he said Mueller told him that he didn't consider the DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president for any crime, I think that's the main thing Mueller wanted to clear up...

[Toemeesleather]

This is what obstruction looks like.

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[bluetick]

This guy is probably right and that is just sad.
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/a-grea ... r-qualify/

[aTm]

A great country wouldn't vote for Hilary Clinton or Donald Trump in the first place. The moral superiority claimed by #TeamBlue is a joke.

[hedge]

We're not a great country, we're just a country full of mostly entitled, selfish and privileged people who love to tell ourselves that we're the greatest country on earth but we're the only people who believe it. I'm not saying we're all bad, but we're no different than anybody else who has ever lived on this planet, except that we're richer and b/c of that we feel like we're entitled to whatever we want. Nobody really gives that much of a shit about government, except a few million people who are addicted to the Fox/CNN/MSNBC marketing shows. Trump is the proof of that. Who cares if he gets impeached, or reelected or shot in the fucking head? Any of those will be good for the news cycle for about a week to the general population (and of course those few million I already mentioned, who will be talking about it the rest of their miserable lives, b/c they think it matters and that anybody else gives a shit). Trump will be dead soon, it might be 5 years, it might be 10, whatever, but soon he's going to be just another name in history, like Nixon or whoever that nobody under the age of 50 today even knows who they are. Like I said, he's a toxic buffoon, but that's about it...

[10ac]

I wish you were shot in the fucking head. Of course it wouldn't make it on Fox/MSNBC.

[hedge]

You are exactly the type of entitled, selfish and privileged asshole I was referring to when I said this isn't a great country. Congrats on turning America into a shit hole, although I'm sure you don't give a fuck, as long as you can drive around in your redneck truck and complain about everybody on else on this planet outside your tiny redneck universe. What a waste of DNA your entire existence has been. Fortunately it won't last much longer...

[10ac]

Well,,,,fuck you.

[Jungle Rat]

Hedge is back on the crack

[Toemeesleather]

1st dem candidate for prez to speak multiple syllables of logic gets booed....

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[Professor Tiger]

Been off the grid fishing the past few days. Nice to see Toe and 10ac filling in so ably.

[bluetick]

Bill Kristol
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@BillKristol

June 5, 1944, in Great Britain: U.S. General Dwight D. Eisenhower drafts this statement in case the invasion fails (Ike seems to have written the date as July 5 rather than June 5). June 5, 2019, in Great Britain: U.S. President Donald J. Trump tweets an attack on Bette Midler.

Spent a good portion of his London day re-denying the McCain incident (that the Navy has confirmed), denying the Markle 'nasty' remark (it's on tape), and denying the size of the protest crowds (video evidence to the contrary). Racking up more lies; 11,000+ and counting just since the inauguration. Re-exploding heads and stupefying fact-checkers here and around the world.

[Professor Tiger]

Bill Krystol... heh. The poster boy of the Establishment GOP Never Trump movement. Krystol is so brilliant, so insightful, the smartest guy in the room, etc, that he managed to run his own conservative magazine out of business since Trump got elected.

Krystol hates Trump because Trump is actually doing all the things that Establishment GOP empty suits like Krystol, Romney, McCain, and W have been talking about for 30 years, but never actually bothered to do.