Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[crashcourse]

one other thing tic

your likely source to kick off the fbi probe into trump just happened to help the foundation to the tune of 25 million

but of course you already knew that

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/austral ... ton-donor/

[Cletus]

The Hill reports that a review of forms from 2006 indicate that Downer had “previously arranged one of the largest foreign donations to Bill and Hillary Clinton’s charitable efforts,” amounting to $25 million in aid from Australia to the Clinton Foundation to help combat the AIDS epidemic.

What a monster.

[hedge]

Harely Davidson, making America great again...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harley-dav ... r-tax-cut/

[Professor Tiger]

Speaking of “laundering money, taking bribes for political favors, or obstructing justice,” are you talking about Hillary or Trump? There is a mountain of proof that Hillary did all that. Haven’t seen any evidence Trump did that. Or is that one of those future tense “about to” or “will soon” or “WILL HAPPEN” things you are so fond of?

Let's see your mountain of proof. Put up or stfu.

Okay. Since you asked:

Money laundering is the act of concealing the transformation of profits from illegal activities and corruption into ostensibly "legitimate" assets.[1] The dilemma of illicit activities is accounting for the origin of the proceeds of such activities without raising the suspicion of law enforcement agencies. Accordingly, considerable time and effort is put into devising strategies which enable the safe use of those proceeds without raising unwanted suspicion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

This is exactly what Hillary did - going through a lawyer, then an oppo research company, then a foreign spy, then - the RUSSIANS!! - to pay for the Pee Pee dossier. This Rube Goldberg arrangement was obviously done in order to evade detection of who actually paid for the Pee Pee Dossier - just like all the other money launderers do. (Amiright, Cletus? You are our resident expert on these things.) According to that alt-right rag, the New York Times:

The Trump Dossier: What We Know and Who Paid for It

After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates — including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/p ... ained.html

Taking bribes for political favors:

From that same notorious RWNJ screed, the New York Times:

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

By June 2009, a little over a year after the star-studded evening in Toronto, Uranium One’s stock was in free-fall, down 40 percent. Mr. Dzhakishev, the head of Kazatomprom, had just been arrested on charges that he illegally sold uranium deposits to foreign companies, including at least some of those won by Mr. Giustra’s UrAsia and now owned by Uranium One... It was against this backdrop that the Vancouver-based Uranium One pressed the American Embassy in Kazakhstan, as well as Canadian diplomats, to take up its cause with Kazakh officials, according to the American cables.. The American Embassy ultimately reported to the secretary of state, Mrs. Clinton.... What is clear is that the embassy acted, with the cables showing that the energy officer met with Kazakh officials to discuss the issue on June 10 and 11.

Three days later, a wholly owned subsidiary of Rosatom completed a deal for 17 percent of Uranium One. And within a year, the Russian government substantially upped the ante, with a generous offer to shareholders that would give it a 51 percent controlling stake.

Among the Donors to the Clinton Foundation:

Frank Giustra, $31.3 million and a pledge for $100 million more. He built a company that later merged with Uranium One.

Ian Telfer, $2.35 million. Mining investor who was chairman of Uranium One when an arm of the Russian government, Rosatom, acquired it.

Paul Reynolds, $1 million to $5 million. Adviser on 2007 UrAsia-Uranium One merger. Later helped raise $260 million for the company.

Frank Holmes, $250,000 to $500,000. Chief Executive of U.S. Global Investors Inc., which held $4.7 million in Uranium One shares in the first quarter of 2011.

Neil Woodyer, $50,000 to $100,000. Adviser to Uranium One. Founded Endeavour Mining with Mr. Giustra.

GMP Securities Ltd. Donating portion of profits. Worked on debt issue that raised $260 million for Uranium One.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/c ... mpany.html

Clinton Gave Paid Speeches Before Government Groups

"If somebody gets paid $225,000 for a speech, it must be an unbelievably extraordinary speech," Sanders said at an outdoor rally at Washington Square Park last week in advance of the New York primary...

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/ar ... -interests

Obstructing justice...

According to that racist infowars-clone megaphone, NBC News:

Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds

“At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department issues before leaving government service,” says an audit by the State Department Inspector General, obtained by NBC News.

“Because she did not do so, she did not comply with the [State] Department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cl ... ds-n580131

PS: Hillary says those 30,000+ emails she bleachbit'd (a new word she added to the America vocabulary) were all about yoga and wedding plans. Nixon got impeached for 18 deleted minutes of audiotape.

So please consider this my official "put up," and my definitely not "STFU."

[crashcourse]

one other thing tic

Stefan Halper gets paid a million dollars by the department of defense

reaches out to carter page and GP developing some type of relationship that ultimately entraps--I mean drags those two into this probe

somebody with connections ousted Halper to the new York times and the WP--that in itself is a crime

so who leaked it and why

[bluetick]

So prof lists legal donations to a 4-star/A-rated charitable foundation as proof of a crime. Donations listed on federal reporting forms...not discovered on Suspicious Activity Forms (SFAs) - "ahem".
And Uranium One has been investigated and tossed out as a "nothingburger", to use the trumptard parlance. Nothing untoward about the deal, and no tie to Hillary. If you and Jim Jordan want to fire up that bus again...have at it. Echoes of BENGHAZI!!! and all that.

And while "whataboutism" will always be prof's preferred method of defense, I'll cheat a little and remind him that Hillary's Sec of State predecessor Powell gave her this solicited advice in a now very-public email about skirting State Department servers:

“What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient.)” Powell wrote on January 23, 2009. “So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without going through the State Department servers. I even used it to do business with some foreign leaders and some of the senior folks in the Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.”

In summary, no proof, just weak sauce innuendo.

[Cletus]

Money laundering is the act of concealing the transformation of profits from illegal activities and corruption into ostensibly "legitimate" assets.[1] The dilemma of illicit activities is accounting for the origin of the proceeds of such activities without raising the suspicion of law enforcement agencies. Accordingly, considerable time and effort is put into devising strategies which enable the safe use of those proceeds without raising unwanted suspicion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

This is exactly what Hillary did - going through a lawyer, then an oppo research company, then a foreign spy, then - the RUSSIANS!! - to pay for the Pee Pee dossier. This Rube Goldberg arrangement was obviously done in order to evade detection of who actually paid for the Pee Pee Dossier - just like all the other money launderers do. (Amiright, Cletus? You are our resident expert on these things.)

No, you are not right. Where are the profits from illegal activities? Hiding that money is the whole point of laundering.

[bluetick]

one other thing tic

Stefan Halper gets paid a million dollars by the department of defense

reaches out to carter page and GP developing some type of relationship that ultimately entraps--I mean drags those two into this probe

somebody with connections ousted Halper to the new York times and the WP--that in itself is a crime

so who leaked it and why

From the WaPo today (5/23/2019):
Trump's trade adviser, Peter Navarro, recommended in the summer appointing Halper to “a senior role in the Trump administration,” such as ambassador to China. That Halper would be considered for a job in a Republican administration isn't surprising. He worked in the Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan administrations and on a George H.W. Bush campaign. In the Reagan administration, he was deputy assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs, a job that would make him a key presidential adviser on military strategy and international security.

Tell you what, crash, why don't you figure out why all of these republicans are out to get Trump and get back to us.

[crashcourse]

not sure what republicans your referring to

I'm more interested in who leaked halper and why

FBI is the only one who knew that halper was supplying information--it was there informant after all --so how did that info get to the post/NYT

halper tries to get cozy with carter page and they use page to initiate the fisa warrants. funny thing is carter page hasn't been charged with any crimes --hasn't been flipped still wondering around in his usual state
GP gets invited to London by halper and essentially gets paid for some type of BS work for halper but somehow this low level not getting paid anything by trum gets access to hillarys emails (from the Russians supposedly) and that info gets to halper and triggers the counterintelligence probes

last question
you have all this info 6 months before election day thinking carter page and GP might be trying to coordinate with the Russian government and you as the FBI and you as the current administration choose NOT to share that information with trump until after he is elected and you have to at this point. Why not tell trump he potentially has 2 individuals who might be working with the Russians. If it was anybody but trump ypour damn sure Obama woiuld have been told or bush or whomever. sole purpose what not to prevent the Russians from influencing the election by letting trump know about page and GP. sole purpose was to try use those two stooges to entrap trump.

per mr strozek
https://www.dailywire.com/news/24623/te ... n-saavedra

[hedge]

What you're describing is a textbook conspiracy...

[Cletus]

I wish I understood what people like crash are getting from trump in exchange for believing this nonsense and talking like a crazy person.

[Professor Tiger]

I wish I understood what people like crash are getting from trump in exchange for believing this nonsense and talking like a crazy person.

Here is the answer to your question:

He does not demean, besmirch, or express smug hostility towards, blue collar or rural people.
He does not convey the idea that people with advanced educations are smarter and better than blue collar or rural people.
He got rid of a lot of inane government regulations that were killing jobs.
He stopped Obama's war on the coal industry, and by extension any other industries that liberals might decide to target for destruction.
He is keeping factories and jobs in America and luring more in from overseas.
He cancelled TPP, which was killing US jobs.
He threatened to cancel NAFTA, which was killing US jobs, and got Mexico and Canada back to the negotiating table to make NAFTA kill fewer US jobs.
He approved and started the Keystone pipeline.
He approved drilling in ANWAR.
He has approved so much fracking and domestic oil drilling that the US is far less vulnerable to the whims of crazy anti-American Middle East thugocracies.
He has started enforcing the law by deporting illegal aliens, focusing on the ones that have committed crimes after arriving here, especially gangs like MS 13, which California is trying to protect.
He has made an attempt to start building the Wall, sort of.
He got rid of the individual mandate in Obamacare, which forced people to buy health care products they did not want.
He stopped Obama's war on guns.
He stopped Obama's war on Christian nuns, florists and bakers who failed to comply with federally approved religious dogma.
He stopped the federal government trying to force men who think they are women into every women's bathroom in America.
He is calling AGW what it is - a hoax supported by fraudulent pseudoscience.
He got us out of the Paris Climate Accords, which wold have imposed energy restrictions on the West but allowed the world's largest polluter - China - to keep polluting as much as they wanted.
He is taking steps to punish cities that refuse to comply with federal immigration law, sort of.
He is calling out the MSM news outlets and telling them straight to their faces what they truly are - the PR department of the Democrat Party and a disgrace to their profession.
Neil Gorsuch. Neil Gorsuch. Neil Gorsuch. (Did I mention Neil Gorsuch?)
He is stocking the federal bench with judges who apply the law as it actually written, and not just follow their own personal liberal utopian preferences.
He credibly threatened Kim Jong Whale to the negotiating table, with the possibility (however slim) of negotiating the NORKS out of their nukes and nuke program.
He has not attacked North Korea, yet, which would kill millions of people.
He has withdrawn the US from the most Neville Chamberlain-esque treaty in US history, Obama's feckless Iran nuke deal.
He treats Israel, the only pro-Western constitutional democracy in the Middle East, like a respected ally. Unlike his predecessor.
He calls Islamic terrorism what it is - Islamic terrorism. Unlike his predecessor.
He has nearly destroyed ISIS all over the world, which has never been reported in the MSM.
He has cut taxes paid by the middle class and forced people in high tax states to pay for their own state taxes and not hand the bill to the rest of the country.
He has presided over the lowest unemployment rate since the 1970's.
He has presided over the lowest unemployment rate for blacks in history.
He has presided over a long series of stock market record highs.
He has absorbed the most vicious and sustained attack in history by the news media, the entertainment industry, academia, yet his poll numbers have risen.
He has been subjected of the most fact-free, evidence-free, probable cause-free, partisan investigation by the entire leadership of the FBI/DOJ, who have abused their authority by manufacturing false evidence, lied to FISA courts, and reenacted Watergate and Nixon's Plumbers by planting spies in the Trump campaign. Yet, despite the greatest political witch hunt in us law enforcement history, his poll number have gone up.
He causes millions of liberals to be afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome, a mental illness that causes its sufferers to become obsessed with his destruction by any means necessary, believing all kinds of wild and crazy conspiracy theories about him, and generally lose all their rational faculties, so much so that they become repugnant to millions of non-TDS voters who don't live in the Northeast or West Coast, making Trump's reelection increasingly likely.

THAT is what people like crash are getting from Trump.

[Professor Tiger]

UPDATE:

He credibly threatened Kim Jong Whale to the negotiating table, with the possibility (however slim) of negotiating the NORKS out of their nukes and nuke program.

Since the above was posted, he got Kim Jong Dumpling to blow up his own nuke facilities, right in front of the CNN cameras.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/asia/nor ... index.html

[DooKSucks]

I wish I understood what people like crash are getting from trump in exchange for believing this nonsense and talking like a crazy person.

Here is the answer to your question:

He does not demean, besmirch, or express smug hostility towards, blue collar or rural people.
He does not convey the idea that people with advanced educations are smarter and better than blue collar or rural people.
He got rid of a lot of inane government regulations that were killing jobs.
He stopped Obama's war on the coal industry, and by extension any other industries that liberals might decide to target for destruction.
He is keeping factories and jobs in America and luring more in from overseas.
He cancelled TPP, which was killing US jobs.
He threatened to cancel NAFTA, which was killing US jobs, and got Mexico and Canada back to the negotiating table to make NAFTA kill fewer US jobs.
He approved and started the Keystone pipeline.
He approved drilling in ANWAR.
He has approved so much fracking and domestic oil drilling that the US is far less vulnerable to the whims of crazy anti-American Middle East thugocracies.
He has started enforcing the law by deporting illegal aliens, focusing on the ones that have committed crimes after arriving here, especially gangs like MS 13, which California is trying to protect.
He has made an attempt to start building the Wall, sort of.
He got rid of the individual mandate in Obamacare, which forced people to buy health care products they did not want.
He stopped Obama's war on guns.
He stopped Obama's war on Christian nuns, florists and bakers who failed to comply with federally approved religious dogma.
He stopped the federal government trying to force men who think they are women into every women's bathroom in America.
He is calling AGW what it is - a hoax supported by fraudulent pseudoscience.
He got us out of the Paris Climate Accords, which wold have imposed energy restrictions on the West but allowed the world's largest polluter - China - to keep polluting as much as they wanted.
He is taking steps to punish cities that refuse to comply with federal immigration law, sort of.
He is calling out the MSM news outlets and telling them straight to their faces what they truly are - the PR department of the Democrat Party and a disgrace to their profession.
Neil Gorsuch. Neil Gorsuch. Neil Gorsuch. (Did I mention Neil Gorsuch?)
He is stocking the federal bench with judges who apply the law as it actually written, and not just follow their own personal liberal utopian preferences.
He credibly threatened Kim Jong Whale to the negotiating table, with the possibility (however slim) of negotiating the NORKS out of their nukes and nuke program.
He has not attacked North Korea, yet, which would kill millions of people.
He has withdrawn the US from the most Neville Chamberlain-esque treaty in US history, Obama's feckless Iran nuke deal.
He treats Israel, the only pro-Western constitutional democracy in the Middle East, like a respected ally. Unlike his predecessor.
He calls Islamic terrorism what it is - Islamic terrorism. Unlike his predecessor.
He has nearly destroyed ISIS all over the world, which has never been reported in the MSM.
He has cut taxes paid by the middle class and forced people in high tax states to pay for their own state taxes and not hand the bill to the rest of the country.
He has presided over the lowest unemployment rate since the 1970's.
He has presided over the lowest unemployment rate for blacks in history.
He has presided over a long series of stock market record highs.
He has absorbed the most vicious and sustained attack in history by the news media, the entertainment industry, academia, yet his poll numbers have risen.
He has been subjected of the most fact-free, evidence-free, probable cause-free, partisan investigation by the entire leadership of the FBI/DOJ, who have abused their authority by manufacturing false evidence, lied to FISA courts, and reenacted Watergate and Nixon's Plumbers by planting spies in the Trump campaign. Yet, despite the greatest political witch hunt in us law enforcement history, his poll number have gone up.
He causes millions of liberals to be afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome, a mental illness that causes its sufferers to become obsessed with his destruction by any means necessary, believing all kinds of wild and crazy conspiracy theories about him, and generally lose all their rational faculties, so much so that they become repugnant to millions of non-TDS voters who don't live in the Northeast or West Coast, making Trump's reelection increasingly likely.

THAT is what people like crash are getting from Trump.

You're on crack if you believe that shit. He's an elitist prick who has the utmost disdain for folks.

[DooKSucks]

The Singapore summit has been canceled by Drumpf

[Professor Tiger]

You're on crack if you believe that shit. He's an elitist prick who has the utmost disdain for folks.

I, and about 49% of American voters believe every word of that shit. If you ask blue collars and rural people, "Who is the elitist prick who has the most utmost disdain for you?" you will hear a long list of Democrats, starting with Nancy Pelosi. Does anybody remember the term, "Deplorables" and "bitterly clinging to their guns and religion"? Democrats have been heaping scorn on blue collars and rural people for a long time, whom they clearly view as backward inbred illiterate racist Bible thumping gun-toting hillbillies. Well, that message has been received, loud and clear, and is getting louder and clearer all the time.

You will never hear blue collar and rural people call Trump "an elitist prick who has the utmost disdain for folks." That is because, unlike Democrats, he has never said anything that conveys them that belief. To the contrary, he has been doing a lot of things that actually help them and protect blue collar and rural people from unemployment and Leftist snowflake bullying. See the list above. Blue collar and rural people love all that stuff.

[bluetick]

Donnie has written Kim a break-up letter that would do any forlorn teenager proud. Truly one for the ages.

How much longer do we have to put up with this raccoon-eyed POS?

[bluetick]

Cohen takes in 400k from Ukraine, whose PM was immediately granted a sit-down with Donnie and who also immediately dropped all cooperation with the Mueller investigation into Paul Manafort.

This is how we do it
this is how we do it

[hedge]

"You will never hear blue collar and rural people call Trump "an elitist prick who has the utmost disdain for folks." That is because, unlike Democrats, he has never said anything that conveys them that belief."

No, that's b/c they're idiots...

[sardis]

I wish I understood what people like crash are getting from trump in exchange for believing this nonsense and talking like a crazy person.

Here is the answer to your question:

He does not demean, besmirch, or express smug hostility towards, blue collar or rural people.
He does not convey the idea that people with advanced educations are smarter and better than blue collar or rural people.
He got rid of a lot of inane government regulations that were killing jobs.
He stopped Obama's war on the coal industry, and by extension any other industries that liberals might decide to target for destruction.
He is keeping factories and jobs in America and luring more in from overseas.
He cancelled TPP, which was killing US jobs.
He threatened to cancel NAFTA, which was killing US jobs, and got Mexico and Canada back to the negotiating table to make NAFTA kill fewer US jobs.
He approved and started the Keystone pipeline.
He approved drilling in ANWAR.
He has approved so much fracking and domestic oil drilling that the US is far less vulnerable to the whims of crazy anti-American Middle East thugocracies.
He has started enforcing the law by deporting illegal aliens, focusing on the ones that have committed crimes after arriving here, especially gangs like MS 13, which California is trying to protect.
He has made an attempt to start building the Wall, sort of.
He got rid of the individual mandate in Obamacare, which forced people to buy health care products they did not want.
He stopped Obama's war on guns.
He stopped Obama's war on Christian nuns, florists and bakers who failed to comply with federally approved religious dogma.
He stopped the federal government trying to force men who think they are women into every women's bathroom in America.
He is calling AGW what it is - a hoax supported by fraudulent pseudoscience.
He got us out of the Paris Climate Accords, which wold have imposed energy restrictions on the West but allowed the world's largest polluter - China - to keep polluting as much as they wanted.
He is taking steps to punish cities that refuse to comply with federal immigration law, sort of.
He is calling out the MSM news outlets and telling them straight to their faces what they truly are - the PR department of the Democrat Party and a disgrace to their profession.
Neil Gorsuch. Neil Gorsuch. Neil Gorsuch. (Did I mention Neil Gorsuch?)
He is stocking the federal bench with judges who apply the law as it actually written, and not just follow their own personal liberal utopian preferences.
He credibly threatened Kim Jong Whale to the negotiating table, with the possibility (however slim) of negotiating the NORKS out of their nukes and nuke program.
He has not attacked North Korea, yet, which would kill millions of people.
He has withdrawn the US from the most Neville Chamberlain-esque treaty in US history, Obama's feckless Iran nuke deal.
He treats Israel, the only pro-Western constitutional democracy in the Middle East, like a respected ally. Unlike his predecessor.
He calls Islamic terrorism what it is - Islamic terrorism. Unlike his predecessor.
He has nearly destroyed ISIS all over the world, which has never been reported in the MSM.
He has cut taxes paid by the middle class and forced people in high tax states to pay for their own state taxes and not hand the bill to the rest of the country.
He has presided over the lowest unemployment rate since the 1970's.
He has presided over the lowest unemployment rate for blacks in history.
He has presided over a long series of stock market record highs.
He has absorbed the most vicious and sustained attack in history by the news media, the entertainment industry, academia, yet his poll numbers have risen.
He has been subjected of the most fact-free, evidence-free, probable cause-free, partisan investigation by the entire leadership of the FBI/DOJ, who have abused their authority by manufacturing false evidence, lied to FISA courts, and reenacted Watergate and Nixon's Plumbers by planting spies in the Trump campaign. Yet, despite the greatest political witch hunt in us law enforcement history, his poll number have gone up.
He causes millions of liberals to be afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome, a mental illness that causes its sufferers to become obsessed with his destruction by any means necessary, believing all kinds of wild and crazy conspiracy theories about him, and generally lose all their rational faculties, so much so that they become repugnant to millions of non-TDS voters who don't live in the Northeast or West Coast, making Trump's reelection increasingly likely.

THAT is what people like crash are getting from Trump.

You're on crack if you believe that shit. He's an elitist prick who has the utmost disdain for folks.

You shouldn't talk about Cletus like that.