Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[Jungle Rat]

I see a nice hangover in your future

[hedge]

10ac is obviously proud of his alcoholism...

[Jungle Rat]

As you are with crack.

[Professor Tiger]

“As you are with heroin.”

FYP

And the Pride of the Southland Marching Band is now booming “Rocky Top” nonstop between 10ac’s ears.

[bluetick]

Grammar is the first casualty of a fifth of Jack.

[hedge]

Family and friends went long before grammar...

[crashcourse]

so tic

what do you think about intelligence services being used on a presidential campaign by the opposition party.

is that a good thing?

can the rival party use bought and paid for opposition research in the form of a dossier full of made up innuendo and launch a multi muiti million dollar investigation using counterintellignce tools for the only purpose of attempting to further that innuendo and widen the scope of bullshit for political gain. all with the blessings of the leadership of those intelligence agenicies and when it blows up in their faces doing everything they can to block the legal oversight (the house of representatives) to reveal wtf they thought they had to initiate this load of crap. essentially paralyzing the duly elected government into going into defense mode the first 2 years . maybe the IG under horwoicz will be able to shed some light. hilarious to see the leaks to the NYT in a desparate attempt to minimize th constitutional abuse of powers the prior administration is guilty of

[hedge]

"can the rival party use bought and paid for opposition research in the form of a dossier full of made up innuendo and launch a multi muiti million dollar investigation using counterintellignce tools for the only purpose of attempting to further that innuendo and widen the scope of bullshit for political gain."

Actually, it was the repubs in the primary who first gathered that "evidence" to use against Trump, not the dems...

[crashcourse]

this guy has it right

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... ennans-ec/

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so tic

what do you think about intelligence services being used on a presidential campaign by the opposition party.

is that a good thing?

We never knew about the intelligence services investigation prior to the election, crash. oprama declined to make that public...thought rightly that it might influence the election. Ask yourself what Trump would have done in that situation. Got it? Good....

can the rival party use bought and paid for opposition research in the form of a dossier full of made up innuendo and launch a multi muiti million dollar investigation using counterintellignce tools for the only purpose of attempting to further that innuendo and widen the scope of bullshit for political gain. all with the blessings of the leadership of those intelligence agenicies and when it blows up in their faces doing everything they can to block the legal oversight (the house of representatives) to reveal wtf they thought they had to initiate this load of crap. essentially paralyzing the duly elected government into going into defense mode the first 2 years . maybe the IG under horwoicz will be able to shed some light. hilarious to see the leaks to the NYT in a desparate attempt to minimize th constitutional abuse of powers the prior administration is guilty of

As as been mentioned, the American oppo research outfit that acquired the dossier was first commissioned by republicans digging up dirt on Trump. Kindly list what you consider to be "made up innuendo" about the dossier and we'll discuss it. The main thing detractors pointed to was "Cohen to Prague"...now we know that happened. The Senate just made things official wrt Russians working on behalf of Trump's election and working to defeat Hillary. Rosenstein hasn't been replaced and neither has Mueller because as soon as that happens, ALL will be revealed. Donnie and Nunes protests to the contrary, they're just waiting for the hammer to fall like everybody else. I think Rudy now has pegged it for Sept 1st..heh..as if Mueller's team would even tell him his fly was open.

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Jesus..Donnie tweeting TWICE this morning in the 3rd person. Donnie is now Jimmy. "Jimmy holds a grudge, Kramer...don't mess with Jimmy! Jimmy is getting UPSET!"

[Professor Tiger]

So if the Trump 2020 campaign, through a series of intermediaries in order to cover their tracks, pays the Russians for a fabricated dossier that says Kamala Harris is colluding with Boko Haram, and they take it to a FISA court passing that garbage dossier off as real intelligence, and uses the deceived court’s approval to put at least one spy in the Kamala Harris campaign, would all the Democrats here be okay with that?

ALL will be revealed. Donnie and Nunes protests to the contrary, they're just waiting for the hammer to fall like everybody else.

Yet another further additional future tense predicting the downfall of Trump, which hasn’t ever been true the previous hundred times, and won’t be this time either.

[hedge]

Except if it does happen, the were true every time and you were wrong every time you mocked it...

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If Kamala Harris conspired with Boko Haram against the laws of the United States, I think it should be uncovered by any legal means necessary. Likewise, if she laundered money illegally or took bribes for political favors or obstructed justice, I think she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and suspect that you feel the same. (about..her)

[Professor Tiger]

No no no... if the current situation is the precedent, it is not necessary for Trump to have any actual evidence that Kamala Harris actually colluded with Boko Harem. He can just make stuff up (like she peed on their leaders’ beds) and use it to lie to a FISA court, and then deploy his spy (or spies?) into Harris’ campaign. You would be okay with that?

Speaking of “laundering money, taking bribes for political favors, or obstructing justice,” are you talking about Hillary or Trump? There is a mountain of proof that Hillary did all that. Haven’t seen any evidence Trump did that. Or is that one of those future tense “about to” or “will soon” or “WILL HAPPEN” things you are so fond of?

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No no no... if the current situation is the precedent, it is not necessary for Trump to have any actual evidence that Kamala Harris actually colluded with Boko Harem. He can just make stuff up (like she peed on their leaders’ beds) and use it to lie to a FISA court, and then deploy his spy (or spies?) into Harris’ campaign. You would be okay with that?

Speaking of “laundering money, taking bribes for political favors, or obstructing justice,” are you talking about Hillary or Trump? There is a mountain of proof that Hillary did all that. Haven’t seen any evidence Trump did that. Or is that one of those future tense “about to” or “will soon” or “WILL HAPPEN” things you are so fond of?

Let's see your mountain of proof. Put up or stfu.

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so tic

what do you think about intelligence services being used on a presidential campaign by the opposition party.

is that a good thing?

We never knew about the intelligence services investigation prior to the election, crash. oprama declined to make that public...thought rightly that it might influence the election. Ask yourself what Trump would have done in that situation. Got it? Good....

can the rival party use bought and paid for opposition research in the form of a dossier full of made up innuendo and launch a multi muiti million dollar investigation using counterintellignce tools for the only purpose of attempting to further that innuendo and widen the scope of bullshit for political gain. all with the blessings of the leadership of those intelligence agenicies and when it blows up in their faces doing everything they can to block the legal oversight (the house of representatives) to reveal wtf they thought they had to initiate this load of crap. essentially paralyzing the duly elected government into going into defense mode the first 2 years . maybe the IG under horwoicz will be able to shed some light. hilarious to see the leaks to the NYT in a desparate attempt to minimize th constitutional abuse of powers the prior administration is guilty of

As as been mentioned, the American oppo research outfit that acquired the dossier was first commissioned by republicans digging up dirt on Trump. Kindly list what you consider to be "made up innuendo" about the dossier and we'll discuss it. The main thing detractors pointed to was "Cohen to Prague"...now we know that happened. The Senate just made things official wrt Russians working on behalf of Trump's election and working to defeat Hillary. Rosenstein hasn't been replaced and neither has Mueller because as soon as that happens, ALL will be revealed. Donnie and Nunes protests to the contrary, they're just waiting for the hammer to fall like everybody else. I think Rudy now has pegged it for Sept 1st..heh..as if Mueller's team would even tell him his fly was open.

1/the steele dossier was completely separate from the research done by fusion for that republican website. steels work for the most part is hit and miss with no verifiable evidence of collusion or pay off
2/ The IG report by horowicz should show how the fbi and the cia under brennan comey et al bypassed criminal invesigations because they have no evidence and proceeded into the much broader authorization of counterintelligence opening up all kinds of investigatory tools including that FISA warrant on page which mnot only allowed access to him and everyone who talked to him but everybody who talked to everybody that talked to him
3/bottom line instead of blocking congressional oversite into what instigated the fisa warrant and the dispatch of peter strovik (sp) to London to talk to the secret informant who is now well known thanks to multiple leaks to supposed left leaning pubs ie washing post and nyt. anyway allow the house oversight to take place instead of attempting to cockblock it at every turn. see what the IG has to say and let me know when you find that trump colluded and if you find nothing you got a lot of explaining to do of why our intelligence services under the direction of the current president party is able to investigate without impunity the nominee for the opposition party

you'd be screaming bloody murder if the roles were reversed

and just to throw more doubt into who had the ties with the russians we will rewind this gem
https://www.weeklystandard.com/hillarys ... le/2004790

the intelligence communities just knew Hillary was going to win that election and treated her and her emails with kid gloves
and went after any rumor or fabricated gossip about trumps campaign full force with the full backing of the intelligence leadership

but we'll see --IG report ought to shed a lot of light on this

[Toemeesleather]

More dems campaigning for Trump!!!llll

https://news.grabien.com/story-al-green ... take-house

[crashcourse]

one other thing tic

susan rices email to herself done 1/2 hour after trump took office referring to an event that happened when Obama was informed of the investigation

In the email, Rice wrote “President Obama began the conversation by stressing his continued commitment to ensuring that every aspect of this issue is handled by the Intelligence and law enforcement communities ‘by the book.’ The president stressed that he is not asking about, initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective. He reiterated that our law enforcement team needs to proceed as it normally would by the book.”

that email just reeks of malpractice

that's exactly what some physicians do when they know they are getting sued. go back and try to alter the records to shed themselves in a better light when they know they fokked up.

by the book
Obama et al knew they fokked up when Hillary didn't win and the repubs could gain access to the intel

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That Susan Rice thingy has turned me around, crash. "By the book" - goddam.

Wait. Are you sure she didn't say "BUY the book?"