Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[hedge]

LOL. Trump is the one holding the gun you idiot. It's his supporters' brains that are splattered everywhere, not his. As usual, your assessment of the situation is precisely backwards...

[Professor Tiger]

My Auburn classmate and Apple CEO Tim Cook says he will spend $1 billion to bring jobs back to the US. And they're manufacturing jobs - the kind Cletus says are "gone and never coming back."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/03/technol ... index.html

Trump must have held a gun to his head too. Up up up!

[aTm]

Whats he gonna do with the other $250 billion? Does he sleep on it like Smaug?

[Professor Tiger]

heh

[Cletus]

My Auburn classmate and Apple CEO Tim Cook says he will spend $1 billion to bring jobs back to the US. And they're manufacturing jobs - the kind Cletus says are "gone and never coming back."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/03/technol ... index.html

Trump must have held a gun to his head too. Up up up!

This is great though "advanced manufacturing" is not exactly labor intensive. If you want to understand why the US is producing more than ever but doing it with very few people, this sector would be a good case study. But, it's better than nothing though, unfortunately, I suspect that approximately 0% of the Trump voters will be qualified for any of the few new jobs that may be created.

[bluetick]

The Great Recession showed corporations they could cut jobs and eliminate benefits and still maintain (or increase) production. Triumph in the midst of tragedy, so to speak.

[Professor Tiger]

True. It has been an employer's labor market for at least 8 years. The challenge is how to restore some leverage back to workers who don't have MBA's or engineering degrees.

[bluetick]

The Retail Crisis Could Hit American Grocers - Bloomberg 1 hr ago "Amazon is determined to crack the produce code".

uh oh

[bluetick]

Kraft Heinz Merger to Cut Jobs, Shutter Factories Under Integration Plan - Reuters 1 hr ago "13% of workforce to be cut at outset"

Talk about a shitty day of job news.

[Professor Tiger]

Yeah.

[Professor Tiger]

The Republican House finally passed the bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. They realized they were playing Russian roulette.

Now the bill goes to the Senate, where conservative bills often go to die or to be mangled beyond recognition.

::I wish you would die or be mangled beyond all recognition::

Maybe the R's will go through the same kind of sausage-making process in killing Obamacare that the Democrats did in creating Obamacare. I wonder what will be GOP successors to "the Cornhusker Kickback" and "the Louisiana Purchase" of yore.

[Toemeesleather]

Yes, there are some in the dem party that understand what dumping on the average working stiff will accomplish.


The findings are significant for a Democratic Party, at a historic low point, that’s trying to figure out how it can win back power. Much of the debate over how to move forward has centered on whether the party should try to win back working-class white voters – who make up the bulk of Obama-Trump voters – or focus instead on mobilizing its base.

Turning out the base, the data suggests, is simply not good enough.

“This idea that Democrats can somehow ignore this constituency and just turn out more of our voters, the math doesn’t work,” Canter said. “We have to do both.”




http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 75484.html

[Professor Tiger]

This idea that Democrats can somehow ignore this constituency and just turn out more of our voters, the math doesn’t work,” Canter said. “We have to do both.”

So far, the Democrats have heaped copious amounts of verbal abuse and contempt on blue collar Rust Belt voters. That was the case before, and even more so after the election. To merely ignore them now would be huge improvement.

I have never understood the intense liberal hostility against this group of voters that they used to champion. Is it that they don't have much money, and therefore can't write million dollar checks to liberal causes like Silicon Valley or Hollywood people? Is it because they didn't attend an Ivy League school and don't live in a gated community? Is it because they tend to be dangerously white, heterosexual and male?

Libs, help me out here...

[Toemeesleather]

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[bluetick]

This idea that Democrats can somehow ignore this constituency and just turn out more of our voters, the math doesn’t work,” Canter said. “We have to do both.”

So far, the Democrats have heaped copious amounts of verbal abuse and contempt on blue collar Rust Belt voters. That was the case before, and even more so after the election. To merely ignore them now would be huge improvement.

I have never understood the intense liberal hostility against this group of voters that they used to champion. Is it that they don't have much money, and therefore can't write million dollar checks to liberal causes like Silicon Valley or Hollywood people? Is it because they didn't attend an Ivy League school and don't live in a gated community? Is it because they tend to be dangerously white, heterosexual and male?

Libs, help me out here...

Until a lib shows up, I'll offer this up as a squarely-in-the-middle right-minded opinion.

For starters, there is no "intense liberal hostility", as you put it in your usual hyperbolic style. It's more of a shake-yer-head sadness at the gullibility of so many rust-belters, the one's who lost their manufacturing or coal job and BY GOD aren't willing to consider ANY option but the work they used to do. The one's who turn their nose up at any mention of re-training, even if it's free, because they only want to do what they and their daddy have always done. They don't want any more education, period. Which figured in nicely with someone like Trump and all of his empty promises.

Now, if somehow Trump can overturn Corporate America's appetite for profits owing to cheap foreign labor and equally cheap natural gas, then he can add to his base and cruise to a re-election victory in 2020. I thought it was cool how he stood in front of those folks and confessed to being one of those tycoon job-exporters himself...but hey, it takes a thief to catch a thief, right? "I can change the rules because I helped MAKE the rules" :: -- "plus I have a big plane with my name on it." God how those people ate that up... ... ..

Obviously I think Trump is fos and those unemployed rust-belters will suffer even more when ryancare takes hold. And btw, dems got them jobs with 40 hour weeks and safe working conditions as well as paid holidays and benefits - it was the corporations and their GOP partners who gave them their walking papers.

[Professor Tiger]

For starters, there is no "intense liberal hostility", as you put it in your usual hyperbolic style.

The number of times that liberals have called Trump voters "racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic..." etc. etc. etc. are too many to count. And those are the harshest terms in the progressive vocabulary.

It's more of a shake-yer-head sadness at the gullibility of so many rust-belters, the one's who lost their manufacturing or coal job and BY GOD aren't willing to consider ANY option but the work they used to do. The one's who turn their nose up at any mention of re-training, even if it's free, because they only want to do what they and their daddy have always done. They don't want any more education, period.

So blue collar Rust Belt Trump voters are gullible, too lazy to get retrained, and too stupid to understand their best interests. Is that a fair summary of your view of them?

[hedge]

True. It has been an employer's labor market for at least 8 years. The challenge is how to restore some leverage back to workers who don't have MBA's or engineering degrees.

Spoken like a true Marxist...

[hedge]

"The findings are significant for a Democratic Party, at a historic low point, that’s trying to figure out how it can win back power."

I would prefer that the power of both parties be cut to the bone, but that's not going to happen with an electorate that votes based on the model of sports fandom...

[10ac]

EFZ, although I'd prefer your wrist be cut to the bone.

na-na na-na hey, hey, hey goodbye..

[Professor Tiger]

AC is really catching on to hedge's "I wish you were _______" meme.