Ostensibly Hoops

[Professor Tiger]

Squirrel is delicious. You should try it sometime.

[BigRedMan]

I said courageous not heroic. There is a big difference. And, your post demonstrated perfectly why it takes a lot of courage to do what she did.

Give me a break. Plenty of people come out as transgender or gay on a daily basis and DO NOT HAVE nearly the support, money, and people around them that care. Just because he was famous, athlete, whatever, doesn't make his "courage" any more important than those others.

Also if courage is ranked, what I said above is the bare bones lowest level.

Courage is running into a burning building to save someone.

Courage is chasing a murder suspect.

Courage is running towards the gunfire to do something about it.

Courage is going on a ambulance run and not knowing what you will see.

Make no mistake about it. His courage doesn't rank anywhere near the attention it has received.

[Professor Tiger]

Bruce Jenner spends his entire life in Malibu, Brentwood, Hollywood and Beverly Hills. He has spent most of his life, and will spend the rest of his life, surrounded by people who believe transvestites are wonderful by definition. In the world he lives in, he will never, ever come in contact with people who think otherwise.

His coming out only made him more popular and wealthy, not less. That's not courage. Now if someone in his world were to go public and say, "I am a born-again Christian," and thereby destroying their careers and becoming a pariah to their associates, THAT would be courageous.

[hedge]

" In the world he lives in, he will never, ever come in contact with people who think otherwise."

Sounds like a nice place...

[Professor Tiger]

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[hedge]

Hey, you've got a safe space too. You call it the church...

[hedge]

Very similar in every regard. You and your buddies can all gather there and whine about how mean and bad the rest of the world is and how you're being persecuted. And so on and so on...

[Professor Tiger]

Sure, snowflake. Sure..,

[hedge]

Yeah, that's me, I run screaming every time somebody says something offensive...

[Saint]

I've become aggrieved from those who are aggrieved.

[Bklyn]

Jenner did put the conversation about gender identity to the forefront. Just like if Michael Sam had made the League, he probably would have gotten an ESPY, too. ESPN is focused on the intersection of sports and culture in their programming. Jenner absolutely went out on a limb with her speaking out so strongly on behalf of transgender issues. The award made sense to me.

That she is a lifelong Republican is more confusing to me.

I still find it funny that there have been days here with a constant drum beat trying to prove ESPN's foundation as the New West Village with all the fags, queers and darkies whining about their struggles. I barely watch ESPN, but the times I've watched it (outside of Hill/Smith at 6pm, the editorializing of blowhard Stephen A, LeBatard's occasional commentary and a few Bob Ley pieces), it's just covering sports. Maybe there weren't enough Trent Dilfer "know your place, Kaepernick" moments on air for you guys to see it as balanced.

I still say the political angle of the ESPN viewership change is overplayed. It's there, but overplayed. Consumer viewing habits overall have changed and ESPN isn't changing fast enough, imo.

[BigRedMan]

If I had a dollar for every gender.....I'd have two dollars.

[Professor Tiger]

Bklyn, in your minimization of ESPN's leftism, I think you left out their liberal advocacy on gun control, black lives matter, and the NCAA vs North Carolina and their bathroom bill. They also fired Curt Schilling for violating company policy against conservative utterances on his own time, but they had no problem retaining Keith Olbermann on the air - twice. It was a lot more than their canonization of Jenner, Kaepernick and Sam.

Maybe ESPN will show they are "fair and balanced" by giving an Espy to Tim Tebow for coming out of the closet and admitting that he is pro-life. In between reporting scores, stats and trades, the ESPN announcers can gush all over Tebow's courage, and add his name to the ESPN hagiography along with Jenner. That would certainly be an "intersection of sports and culture." What do you think are the chances of that happening, and why?

[bluetick]

So ESPN kept up their libtardiness by reporting about the O's Adam Jones getting called n*gger by a number of Red Sox outfield fans, and then followed up with how the Red Sox owner made a point of saying he wouldn't put up with it. And there were references to the 70th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's breaking the color line and his trials and tribulations and more lefty blather.

Just give the fking score, right?

[hedge]

"It was a lot more than their canonization of Jenner, Kaepernick and Sam. "

I wish someone would fire you out of a cannon...

[10ac]

And you ere strapped over the barrel.

[Saint]

Bklyn, in your minimization of ESPN's leftism, I think you left out their liberal advocacy on gun control, black lives matter, and the NCAA vs North Carolina and their bathroom bill.

Liberal advocacy? You're just making shit up now. Or you truly are a pathetic gimp.

[Professor Tiger]

Pure, unadulterated, ESPN liberal advocacy:

Bruce Jenner's Espy: Enough said.

BLM:

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Kaepernick: (Steven A. Smith, Peace be upon him, was a welcome exception)

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Gun control:

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There's plenty more, but you get the picture...

[Cletus]

So, they are advocating for people being treated fairly, for fewer murders, and for free speech. Sounds terrible.

[Professor Tiger]

Saint says ESPN didn't do liberal advocacy. I just posted several examples of ESPN doing liberal advocacy, which Saint says they never did.

Do you think we can expect upcoming specials on ESPN about the significant increase in the number of cops killed in the line of duty?