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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Submitted a bracket.
Feminism: Eve eats ALL the apples, gives God the middle finder when He confronts her, and has the serpent serve Adam with an injunction ordering him to both stay away from her AND to provide her food and shelter because he dragged her out of the Garden.
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yes its free
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.
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everyone is talking about how Wichita State got screwed on the seedings and its only because they play in the Missouri Valley or whatever conference
but then when you want to make a case for UK getting a #1 seed, they'll be the first to tell you why they didn't was because of the weak SEC.
Not that it matters, we were destined to get a UNC matchup regardless of who got the 1 or the 2.
I did read that us winning the SEC got Duke bumped from moving up.
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but then when you want to make a case for UK getting a #1 seed, they'll be the first to tell you why they didn't was because of the weak SEC.
Not that it matters, we were destined to get a UNC matchup regardless of who got the 1 or the 2.
I did read that us winning the SEC got Duke bumped from moving up.
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I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
last team in playing wake
least we wont be the first team out since we play the second game tommorrow
least we wont be the first team out since we play the second game tommorrow
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eCat wrote:everyone is talking about how Wichita State got screwed on the seedings and its only because they play in the Missouri Valley or whatever conference
but then when you want to make a case for UK getting a #1 seed, they'll be the first to tell you why they didn't was because of the weak SEC.
Not that it matters, we were destined to get a UNC matchup regardless of who got the 1 or the 2.
I did read that us winning the SEC got Duke bumped from moving up.
I loved the look on Seth Davis' face when the NCAA guy told him that Duke was never going to crack into the top 4.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Greg Doyell
Indiana is giving up an NIT home game because it’s scared – no, terrified – of ESPN’s cameras showing empty seats and its microphones picking up apathy or even anger. Indiana is scared of going on national television and being humiliated.
You know it. I know it. And now the world knows it.
Which has me asking a question:
If the IU fan base is this done with Tom Crean’s basketball program, so done that the school is willingly sacrificing revenue by sending its bad road team onto the road, how can Tom Crean continue to stay?
Why would he want to?
Why would Indiana let him?
Listen, this isn’t what I wrote last week when I suggested the proper course of action for Crean and IU was one more year to get this thing right. But guess what happened since then? Indiana admitted defeat by declining a home game on national television.
This changes everything. Changes my opinion. Changes the debate about Crean’s future from hypothesis (should IU and Crean part ways?) to fact (yes).
And this isn’t me telling Indiana to fire Crean. It’s not me telling Crean to parachute away to Missouri or LSU or North Carolina State or Illinois or any big-time program that might be pursuing him at the moment.
It’s me asking:
Why do either of you – Indiana or Tom Crean – want this relationship to continue?
Understand something here. Transparency, not writing talent, is my currency. Others can form better sentences, which is fine, but nobody’s going to be as honest with readers – as painfully, at times embarrassingly honest – as I am, with you. If you want to read a columnist who makes up his mind and never reconsiders it even when new information arises, read someone else.
Or read this:
I like Tom Crean, and I mean a lot. I like his wife, Joani. I like his son, Riley. Make it a point to say hello every time I see him. Want that kid to be happy, knowing how hard it must be in the Internet age to be the son of a basketball coach in a basketball town when the basketball team is failing to reach the NCAA Tournament. Riley is a senior at Bloomington North, a pitcher who has committed to IU and whose Twitter profile says three words: IU baseball ‘21. Crean's a loving, loving father. In his household, for this decision, he knows he isn't the only factor.
More transparency: IU athletic director Fred Glass doesn't agree with me. You need to read his words, starting here, and decide for yourself: For starters, the decision not to host an NIT first-rounder wasn’t made Sunday night, he says. It was made two weeks ago, and it was made by the administration and coaching staff, when the NIT contacted all potential schools in the field to gauge their interest in hosting.
It would be inaccurate to say this is a new reflection of where the program is at,” Glass was telling me Monday. “In my view it wasn’t driven by keeping away the boo birds or anything like that. It was driven by spring break and the fact that the student body won’t be here and the rest of Bloomington will be a ghost town, too.”
Good points, though the balcony sections of Assembly Hall, which are for students, have been empty since early February. This anger of IU fans, it's real and it's been building for months.
Would an empty Assembly Hall even matter? Sure it would. Fans give silent instruction by skipping games, and they tweet explicit instructions telling IU exactly what it can do with its basketball coach.
Up to a point, that matters. This is a public school funded by public dollars, but more than that, this is one of the most enduring traditions in sports. IU basketball? Regardless of how hard the job is – and it’s hard, don’t kid yourself; brilliant Bob Knight and at times cheatin’ Kelvin Sampson just made it look easy – the IU basketball brand is colossal. And it’s colossal because of its connection with the people of this state.
So their anger matters. Their anger isn't everything, but it is a factor. It has to be a factor. And now, given what Indiana itself has admitted – we’re afraid to trot this team onto the court at Assembly Hall – the Indiana fan base has just become the loudest voice in the room.
Yes, I know, it’s spring break at Indiana. The students are gone, but not really. Not all of them. IU has an undergraduate enrollment of nearly 40,000, and according to its records 57 percent of them (roughly 23,000) live in the state. So if they wanted to come to the game, they could.
IU has just told the world: They don’t want to come to the game.
IU also has told the world: In a state of 6.5 million, so many of whom were raised on IU basketball, we don’t think anyone else would come to the game either. So we’d rather fly to Georgia Tech and play there.
Indiana’s record in Assembly Hall: 14-4.
Indiana’s record away from Assembly Hall: 4-11.
Indiana would just about rather lose than play this game at home.
There are 16 first-round games in the NIT. The better seed gets the chance to host the game. Of those 16 teams, 11 of them are on spring break.
Indiana is the only one that asked to go on the road.
Glass has an answer for that, too. Listen to him. Decide for yourself:
“Everyone else on spring break is hosting games,” he was saying, “but they didn't have a 7,800-person student section. The student section is more dramatically important to our home game experience, and it’s more notable by its absence. Literally we have the largest student section in college basketball, bar none.
“We’re going to get criticized no matter what. If we made the other choice, I can see some people say, ‘You idiot, you’re setting up Tom and the team to fail because Bloomington is a ghost town.’ I do think the men’s basketball student section is particularly important to the experience at IU and how the experience at IU is perceived. I won’t back away from that.”
All well and good. But student tickets could be sold to the general public or simply given away. The doors could be open to the 6.5 million Indiana residents for free. Those were options, but not realistic ones because the fans just aren’t there. This is basketball royalty, Kansas or Duke or UNC or Kentucky, and it just gave away a home game because it doesn't have enough fans.
Seems plain as day as to me: The IU school and IU coach have just admitted to the world that their partnership isn’t working.
When do they admit it to themselves?
Indiana is giving up an NIT home game because it’s scared – no, terrified – of ESPN’s cameras showing empty seats and its microphones picking up apathy or even anger. Indiana is scared of going on national television and being humiliated.
You know it. I know it. And now the world knows it.
Which has me asking a question:
If the IU fan base is this done with Tom Crean’s basketball program, so done that the school is willingly sacrificing revenue by sending its bad road team onto the road, how can Tom Crean continue to stay?
Why would he want to?
Why would Indiana let him?
Listen, this isn’t what I wrote last week when I suggested the proper course of action for Crean and IU was one more year to get this thing right. But guess what happened since then? Indiana admitted defeat by declining a home game on national television.
This changes everything. Changes my opinion. Changes the debate about Crean’s future from hypothesis (should IU and Crean part ways?) to fact (yes).
And this isn’t me telling Indiana to fire Crean. It’s not me telling Crean to parachute away to Missouri or LSU or North Carolina State or Illinois or any big-time program that might be pursuing him at the moment.
It’s me asking:
Why do either of you – Indiana or Tom Crean – want this relationship to continue?
Understand something here. Transparency, not writing talent, is my currency. Others can form better sentences, which is fine, but nobody’s going to be as honest with readers – as painfully, at times embarrassingly honest – as I am, with you. If you want to read a columnist who makes up his mind and never reconsiders it even when new information arises, read someone else.
Or read this:
I like Tom Crean, and I mean a lot. I like his wife, Joani. I like his son, Riley. Make it a point to say hello every time I see him. Want that kid to be happy, knowing how hard it must be in the Internet age to be the son of a basketball coach in a basketball town when the basketball team is failing to reach the NCAA Tournament. Riley is a senior at Bloomington North, a pitcher who has committed to IU and whose Twitter profile says three words: IU baseball ‘21. Crean's a loving, loving father. In his household, for this decision, he knows he isn't the only factor.
More transparency: IU athletic director Fred Glass doesn't agree with me. You need to read his words, starting here, and decide for yourself: For starters, the decision not to host an NIT first-rounder wasn’t made Sunday night, he says. It was made two weeks ago, and it was made by the administration and coaching staff, when the NIT contacted all potential schools in the field to gauge their interest in hosting.
It would be inaccurate to say this is a new reflection of where the program is at,” Glass was telling me Monday. “In my view it wasn’t driven by keeping away the boo birds or anything like that. It was driven by spring break and the fact that the student body won’t be here and the rest of Bloomington will be a ghost town, too.”
Good points, though the balcony sections of Assembly Hall, which are for students, have been empty since early February. This anger of IU fans, it's real and it's been building for months.
Would an empty Assembly Hall even matter? Sure it would. Fans give silent instruction by skipping games, and they tweet explicit instructions telling IU exactly what it can do with its basketball coach.
Up to a point, that matters. This is a public school funded by public dollars, but more than that, this is one of the most enduring traditions in sports. IU basketball? Regardless of how hard the job is – and it’s hard, don’t kid yourself; brilliant Bob Knight and at times cheatin’ Kelvin Sampson just made it look easy – the IU basketball brand is colossal. And it’s colossal because of its connection with the people of this state.
So their anger matters. Their anger isn't everything, but it is a factor. It has to be a factor. And now, given what Indiana itself has admitted – we’re afraid to trot this team onto the court at Assembly Hall – the Indiana fan base has just become the loudest voice in the room.
Yes, I know, it’s spring break at Indiana. The students are gone, but not really. Not all of them. IU has an undergraduate enrollment of nearly 40,000, and according to its records 57 percent of them (roughly 23,000) live in the state. So if they wanted to come to the game, they could.
IU has just told the world: They don’t want to come to the game.
IU also has told the world: In a state of 6.5 million, so many of whom were raised on IU basketball, we don’t think anyone else would come to the game either. So we’d rather fly to Georgia Tech and play there.
Indiana’s record in Assembly Hall: 14-4.
Indiana’s record away from Assembly Hall: 4-11.
Indiana would just about rather lose than play this game at home.
There are 16 first-round games in the NIT. The better seed gets the chance to host the game. Of those 16 teams, 11 of them are on spring break.
Indiana is the only one that asked to go on the road.
Glass has an answer for that, too. Listen to him. Decide for yourself:
“Everyone else on spring break is hosting games,” he was saying, “but they didn't have a 7,800-person student section. The student section is more dramatically important to our home game experience, and it’s more notable by its absence. Literally we have the largest student section in college basketball, bar none.
“We’re going to get criticized no matter what. If we made the other choice, I can see some people say, ‘You idiot, you’re setting up Tom and the team to fail because Bloomington is a ghost town.’ I do think the men’s basketball student section is particularly important to the experience at IU and how the experience at IU is perceived. I won’t back away from that.”
All well and good. But student tickets could be sold to the general public or simply given away. The doors could be open to the 6.5 million Indiana residents for free. Those were options, but not realistic ones because the fans just aren’t there. This is basketball royalty, Kansas or Duke or UNC or Kentucky, and it just gave away a home game because it doesn't have enough fans.
Seems plain as day as to me: The IU school and IU coach have just admitted to the world that their partnership isn’t working.
When do they admit it to themselves?
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
How the hell did they beat Carolina?
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Scored more points.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
I'll post without commentary
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LaVar Ball must not be selling enough of those $60 t-shirts over at his Big Baller Brand online store — where he sells merchandise for his three boys without using their likeness — because he wants more, more, more. A whole lot more.
In a new story for USA Today, LaVar Ball said he will try to sell his three boys as a package endorsement deal to Nike, Under Armour or Adidas for one billion dollars.
“A billion dollars, it has to be there,’’ Ball said. “That’s our number, a billion, straight out of the gate. And you don’t even have to give it to me all up front. Give us $100 mil over 10 years.’’
In that same story, we learn Lonzo and LiAngelo Ball, a high school senior, each drive $100,000 BMWs. LaMelo Ball isn’t old enough to drive yet, but he will also get one from his parents, a personal trainer and a middle school teacher.
Will someone please tell this man he is hurting his sons’ brand? Nike, Under Armour and Adidas aren’t paying top dollar if everyone hates his sons, which is really easy to do because of comments like this. Plus LiAngelo Ball isn’t even good enough for all the talkin’ going on. He is the 55th-ranked shooting guard in the class.
I honestly can’t wait to see the Ball family in Memphis. Maybe I should tell him.
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LaVar Ball must not be selling enough of those $60 t-shirts over at his Big Baller Brand online store — where he sells merchandise for his three boys without using their likeness — because he wants more, more, more. A whole lot more.
In a new story for USA Today, LaVar Ball said he will try to sell his three boys as a package endorsement deal to Nike, Under Armour or Adidas for one billion dollars.
“A billion dollars, it has to be there,’’ Ball said. “That’s our number, a billion, straight out of the gate. And you don’t even have to give it to me all up front. Give us $100 mil over 10 years.’’
In that same story, we learn Lonzo and LiAngelo Ball, a high school senior, each drive $100,000 BMWs. LaMelo Ball isn’t old enough to drive yet, but he will also get one from his parents, a personal trainer and a middle school teacher.
Will someone please tell this man he is hurting his sons’ brand? Nike, Under Armour and Adidas aren’t paying top dollar if everyone hates his sons, which is really easy to do because of comments like this. Plus LiAngelo Ball isn’t even good enough for all the talkin’ going on. He is the 55th-ranked shooting guard in the class.
I honestly can’t wait to see the Ball family in Memphis. Maybe I should tell him.
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.
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Lavar Ball reminds me of a tennis parent. I'm not mad at him, though. Lonzo and Melo are REALLY good ball players.
The $1B deal could never happen...or at least not anytime soon. There is like 4 more years of amateur eligibility left for the youngest kid. You can't have Lonzo wait that long without a shoe deal. Putting them as a package deal is smart, though, if the middle kid turns out to be the Cooper Manning of the family. That way, he gets some monetization play, too. Again, I'm not mad at Lavar Ball for that.
That wait may all be moot if he puts Melo's amateur status in jeopardy with $100K vehicles. Right now, he appears to know his way with NCAA rules, so I'm sure the cars are proceeds from his licensing of their BBB apparel line. If so, good for him. Let the kids reap benefits from the sale of merch. UCLA is definitely making a mint off of Ball gear.
if these kids turn out to be as good as their Dad says, then they will sell shoes. If likeability factored into shoe sales Under Armour would be doing better and Kobe wouldn't have been in the top 5 selling jerseys for 17 of his 20 years in the league
The $1B deal could never happen...or at least not anytime soon. There is like 4 more years of amateur eligibility left for the youngest kid. You can't have Lonzo wait that long without a shoe deal. Putting them as a package deal is smart, though, if the middle kid turns out to be the Cooper Manning of the family. That way, he gets some monetization play, too. Again, I'm not mad at Lavar Ball for that.
That wait may all be moot if he puts Melo's amateur status in jeopardy with $100K vehicles. Right now, he appears to know his way with NCAA rules, so I'm sure the cars are proceeds from his licensing of their BBB apparel line. If so, good for him. Let the kids reap benefits from the sale of merch. UCLA is definitely making a mint off of Ball gear.
if these kids turn out to be as good as their Dad says, then they will sell shoes. If likeability factored into shoe sales Under Armour would be doing better and Kobe wouldn't have been in the top 5 selling jerseys for 17 of his 20 years in the league
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Bklyn wrote:Lavar Ball reminds me of a tennis parent. I'm not mad at him, though. Lonzo and Melo are REALLY good ball players.
The $1B deal could never happen...or at least not anytime soon. There is like 4 more years of amateur eligibility left for the youngest kid. You can't have Lonzo wait that long without a shoe deal.
That wait may all be moot if he puts Melo's amateur status in jeopardy with $100K vehicles. Right now, he appears to know his way with NCAA rules, so I'm sure the cars are proceeds from his licensing of their BBB apparel line. If so, good for him. Let the kids reap benefits from the sale of merch. UCLA is definitely making a mint off of Ball gear.
yea, if its clean and he can buy those cars with T-shirt money ( I guess that's plausible given the press this guy is generating) then that's fine.
Dude is definitely asking for people to dig around in his garbage though.
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.
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Yeah, his mouth is big. Lotsa Richard Williams in him. It took me a while to accept his high annoyance factor.
It didn't hurt Serena or Venus, though (if it did, the tennis world lucked out).
It didn't hurt Serena or Venus, though (if it did, the tennis world lucked out).
The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Bklyn wrote:Yeah, his mouth is big. Lotsa Richard Williams in him. It took me a while to accept his high annoyance factor.
It didn't hurt Serena or Venus, though (if it did, the tennis world lucked out).
Tigers dad in a similar mold too.
UCLA beats UK and UNC, dad is gonna get some bank.
I like the stinky pinky but only up to the first knuckle, I do not want a GD thumb up there--I've told her multiple times and I always catch her when she tries to pull a fast one---it's my butthole for Chrissakes I'm gonna know--so cut out the BS.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
watched ball only once against Arizona this past weekend--ball looked like he hurt his thumb pretty good
alford couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
leaf was invisible the first half due to foul issues
zona beat them like a drum
I really like the winner of tonights game playing them this weekend
alford couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
leaf was invisible the first half due to foul issues
zona beat them like a drum
I really like the winner of tonights game playing them this weekend
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
i hate my bracket
Sure, I could have stayed in the past. I could have even been king. But in my own way, I am king.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
In that sense, I don't differentiate b/w you and your bracket...
I want someone's ass blistered in the middle of Thanksgiving Square.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Good, I'd hate to think I actually got along with someone like you.
Sure, I could have stayed in the past. I could have even been king. But in my own way, I am king.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Have you ever had your balls bracketed?
I want someone's ass blistered in the middle of Thanksgiving Square.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
Cockiest basketball fans.. State of Kentucky tops the list... Loserville tops in state.
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Re: Ostensibly Hoops
this year only 1 one seed makes it
lots of bracket busting with three #1's fizzling before the final four
just hope I guess the right one
my balls are the #1 seed
lots of bracket busting with three #1's fizzling before the final four
just hope I guess the right one
my balls are the #1 seed