Florida State Seminoles

[hedge]

"Utah has one of the lowest illegitimacy rates in the country
Utah has one of the highest, if not the highest percentage of white population
Their high school drop-out rate is low
LDS tend to be extremely active in getting involved in the PTA/PTO and helicoptering their children in school
And unlike Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida, or California, they don't have to spend nearly as much on ESL"

So basically you want the rest of the country to be more like Utah. Um, no thanks...

"I was educated in the state that (overall) performs #1 in the country from an education standpoint"

I guess that makes your failure all the more egregious...

[eCat]

speaking of education, some of you may know my wife works with special needs kids.

two weeks ago, one of them had a problem with his history teacher giving him a bad grade on a paper so he took the paper and wiped his ass with it in front of the teacher and the class, then he wadded it up into a ball and stuff it down the front of his pants, grabs his balls and told her to fuck off

she also told me another one is so into video games that his pisses himself and even shits on the floor next to the couch instead of stopping the video game and going to the bathroom. I had to ask her how that is allowed to happen and she said his grandmother cleans it up.

I figured he is kin to Rat in some way.

[eCat]

"Utah has one of the lowest illegitimacy rates in the country
Utah has one of the highest, if not the highest percentage of white population
Their high school drop-out rate is low
LDS tend to be extremely active in getting involved in the PTA/PTO and helicoptering their children in school
And unlike Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida, or California, they don't have to spend nearly as much on ESL"

So basically you want the rest of the country to be more like Utah. Um, no thanks...

"I was educated in the state that (overall) performs #1 in the country from an education standpoint"

I guess that makes your failure all the more egregious...

Based on his stats in regards to Utah they should be much higher in ACT scores as they have fewer barriers to educating their children.

[aTm]

If they're too smart they'll start questioning the religion. You want them just to where the ceiling is capped so that the elite all become best selling sci-fi or fantasy authors.

[innocentbystander]

If they're too smart they'll start questioning the religion. You want them just to where the ceiling is capped so that the elite all become best selling sci-fi or fantasy authors.

Someone reads Stephanie Meyer novels

[innocentbystander]

"Utah has one of the lowest illegitimacy rates in the country
Utah has one of the highest, if not the highest percentage of white population
Their high school drop-out rate is low
LDS tend to be extremely active in getting involved in the PTA/PTO and helicoptering their children in school
And unlike Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Florida, or California, they don't have to spend nearly as much on ESL"

So basically you want the rest of the country to be more like Utah. Um, no thanks...

"I was educated in the state that (overall) performs #1 in the country from an education standpoint"

I guess that makes your failure all the more egregious...

Based on his stats in regards to Utah they should be much higher in ACT scores as they have fewer barriers to educating their children.

There is some benefit to slightly higher education spending. But that doesn't justify ripping off the tax payers to the tune of what they do in New Jersey, DC, or New York. Its just that the state of Utah has mastered how to get the most education value for its education dollar. And they should be admired for that.

[innocentbystander]

"They want a wrecking ball, they want people in Washington to feel the pain - and they aren't particularly concerned about the people that benefit from policies or an agenda from previous administrations."

And you wonder why people are rioting...

no I'm not

The difference between a protestor and rioter however is the police should be able to beat the shit out of a rioter.

they should be able to beat the rioter. Tea Party people just stood up and protested. almost no one ever got hurt at a Trump rally. rioters burn down a CVS, a Starbucks, or jump on police cars. that is the difference

[aTm]

Someone reads Stephanie Meyer novels

No, but she is an example of what I'm talking about. There is also Brandon Sanderson, Orson Scott Card, Tracy Hickman, Brandon Mull among others.

[eCat]

If they're too smart they'll start questioning the religion. You want them just to where the ceiling is capped so that the elite all become best selling sci-fi or fantasy authors.

I was reading yesterday that L. Ron Hubbard was captain of a Navy ship for about 80 days before he was removed. During that time he dropped 37 depth charges over a period of 2 days chasing an imaginary submarine, anchored his boat in Mexican waters and enraged them further by having gunnery practice. The Navy couldn't remove him fast enough. That led to a career in pulp fiction Sci-Fi novels

[innocentbystander]

Someone reads Stephanie Meyer novels

No, but she is an example of what I'm talking about. There is also Brandon Sanderson, Orson Scott Card, Tracy Hickman, Brandon Mull among others.

fair enough

[Bklyn]

" Going to my grandparents' farm in Georgia is no better. Dark as shit. Bugs everywhere. Cars covered in pollen..."

Brook reports from Georgia:

[youtube]MP8USm7sABI[/youtube]

Haven't seen that in ages. Hilarious.

[aTm]

Haha, that dude is a reporter for the local Fox station, I think about that every time I see him flipping the channels.

[Bklyn]

this all boils down to people that wanted status quo - they may not have been particularly excited about everything but they were happy with the general direction - that doesn't necessarily fall along party lines. Some of the more extreme Bernie factions felt they aligned more closely with Trump than Hillary, and I'm certain there were a fair number of moderate conservative so concerned with the extremism of Trump that they felt safer with Hillary.

But for those that weren't happy with status quo, they were intent on real change - not some political slogan (although MAGA apparently struck a nerve). For the conservatives, they branded the GOP mainliners as GOPe - establishment who basically were the type like Marco Rubio who ran on a Tea Party ticket and the moment he got to Washington, he turned into the old guard. People who voted for Trump saw Washington as a single party who were growing more and more blatant about their hypocrisy of supposedly representing their voters but never enacting any change or progress forward.

Setting aside the Bernie people because I don't feel I can speak for them, the tea party people , the millennials who identify with the Alt-Right, the Reagan democrats and blue collar guys - they all have been doing a slow burn since John McCain was chosen - and McCain , in no surprise to anyone wanted a lifelong Democrat as his V.P. choice until the party told them they would revolt. Then you get the father of Obamacare in Mitt Romney running and he's just as big of an insult to them as McCain. Then you have Cantor and Boehner who are talking about a mandate from the voters and they're going to give Obama whatever he wants. McConnell was the only guy of the old guard - and he is a complete slimeball - but he understood enough and was in a position to say I"m not going to work with this president - and that gave him barely enough credibility with the voters to win re-election. He shouldn't have because he is a complete son of a bitch but he did and I fault Kentucky voters for doing it.

I can remember 20 years ago polls in regards to immigration showed that 70% of Americans wanted a secure border and stopping the flow of immigration from Mexico - but over time the polling numbers changed - not the sentiment of the people - and those people have been ignored - Bush was a amnesty guy and had to back off facing a revolt from within the party.The issue is in regards to immigration, its a huge lie to say that Americans on the whole want amnesty or whatever - its just that in 20 years of inaction, they want something so softening their positions and being asked "do you really think we can deport 20 million people" became inevitable, not because they wanted to soften but they were ignored - because the GOPe wants to keep flooding the market with cheap labor and the Democrats want a life line of voters.

So my point in all of this is - for those of you that keep losing your shit over everything that Trump says or does - and expect the Trump people to suddenly wake up and agree with you, its not going to happen in the near future. The reason why is because Trump moves the needle. Yea, he says crazy shit, he exaggerates, he has an ego that even by D.C. standards is out of control but for the past 20 years our options have been people that were essentially Democrats of the JFK/Lyndon B. Johnson era saying they are republicans- they are conservative.

The voters don't care because to he is the *only* and I mean only person that has gone in there and said, this is what the people who voted me in want and this is what we're going to do. And I'm going forward on this without a lot of hand holding, meetings or procrastination. I may lose in court, I may get sued, I may piss off a bunch of people, but I'm doing what I'd say I'd do with the support of my voters.

in the words of Obama which I think we all knew would come back to haunt him - Elections have consequences (and consequently his justification for his slew of executive orders, funny how Obama supporters have suddenly taken an interest in the abuse of power in the executive branch now isn't it?), - now the people that vote for Trump want revenge, they want their pound of flesh - and they make no distinction in Democrat or GOP - as they feel both have failed them.

When your mindset is like that, you're not really going to give a shit about the nuance or execution. They want a wrecking ball, they want people in Washington to feel the pain - and they aren't particularly concerned about the people that benefit from policies or an agenda from previous administrations. That sounds harsh but they feel like they've been ignored while the country moved an agenda they didn't support forward without any negotiation or sympathy for their position. They offer none in return thru Trump - and when their president is talking about putting America First - and by implication that all Americans will prosper from that - they don't have any particular desire to dig any deeper for validation in being OK with their support or lack of empathy.

Whether or not I'm fine with the message is debatable. The messenger that was chosen, though, is horrible. The voters are being short sighted when they put their desires on the person that can't execute their ultimate desired effect. They sent a message to Washington, sure. They may even have voted in a person who will take a wrecking ball to Washington. I just don't know if people realized how much Washington can impact their worlds. It's like the ACA. They want to blow it up...but keep their medical coverage offering. They want to blow it up, but don't roll back the Medicaid expansion. They want to blow it up, but also pay for infrastructure. They want to blow it up, but hold the wealthy accountable. It's funny to me to see the disconnect between the discontent with how things are and the willingness to keep things how they are.

It'll all make sense when the good paying, rust belt manufacturing jobs come back or don't.

[Bklyn]

So Trump yesterday stands at the mics and says the news media isn't reporting the fact that America's murder rate is the highest in 47 years. Naturally the usual firestorm erupted because that's so false that it's mind-numbing.

Somebody has to get to this guy and remind him that the campaign is over and that he can't make up these wild lies and run off
to the next town gathering of cross-eyed loyalists. That he's now stuck in the WH and he basically is the employee of 360 million Americans...and this crap doesn't cut it anymore.

In fairness to the Mango Mussolini, he read the data wrong from the FBI...and I'm sure many would do so. If I reported what the stats were, there would be a bunch of people here that would say the same thing Orange Julius Caesar said.

[Toemeesleather]

Misstating FBI data....something to get hysterical about...


Directing a gubment agency (IRS) to discriminate against certain americans, then lying about it....no problemo!

[eCat]

I just don't know if people realized how much Washington can impact their worlds

I'm pretty sure that's exactly why they voted for Trump

[Bklyn]

Well, the facts will bear it all out. Neither of us can manipulate results. There will be an opportunity to tally up the score in about 18 - 30 months. I just don't see things playing out the way these constituents are hoping for.

[innocentbystander]

I just don't know if people realized how much Washington can impact their worlds

I'm pretty sure that's exactly why they voted for Trump

that is why I voted for him

[eCat]

Well, the facts will bear it all out. Neither of us can manipulate results. There will be an opportunity to tally up the score in about 18 - 30 months. I just don't see things playing out the way these constituents are hoping for.

The thing is though, no matter what Trump does, you and people that feel the way you do will brand his presidency a failure. You've already branded his presidency a failure by the fact he was elected. There is no "give him a chance" mentality.

The people I'm talking about are so fed up they were willing to take the chance, even if the risk of success is low, not to mention what their definition of success will be. Many of them are in a state of mind that dismantling much of the government and let the chips fall where they may is the best solution, even if a portion results in a negative impact to their lives. They want a recalibration in the way the United States is moving forward. If that means taking a step back, or several steps back on progress in the eyes of the left, they have no problem in that - primarily because the move forward didn't include them anyways.

Its like that video I posted alluded to - when progressives/liberals believe that its OK to shut down free speech because they don't agree with it, when they think its OK to force religious people to go against their beliefs, then what exactly are progressives and liberals fighting for?

Certainly the fickle of Trump voters will more than likely be up in arms in 18 months but that doesn't mean they won't vote to put another politician in office that speaks to them and has the autonomy to buck Washington D.C. or this current progressives who don't note their own hypocrisy.

[innocentbystander]

Well, the facts will bear it all out. Neither of us can manipulate results. There will be an opportunity to tally up the score in about 18 - 30 months. I just don't see things playing out the way these constituents are hoping for.

The thing is though, no matter what Trump does, you and people that feel the way you do will brand his presidency a failure. You've already branded his presidency a failure by the fact he was elected. There is no "give him a chance" mentality.

The people I'm talking about are so fed up they were willing to take the chance, even if the risk of success is low, not to mention what their definition of success will be. Many of them are in a state of mind that dismantling much of the government and let the chips fall where they may is the best solution, even if a portion results in a negative impact to their lives. They want a recalibration in the way the United States is moving forward. If that means taking a step back, or several steps back on progress in the eyes of the left, they have no problem in that - primarily because the move forward didn't include them anyways.

Certainly the fickle of them will more than likely be up in arms in 18 months but that doesn't mean they won't vote to put another politician in office that speaks to them and has the autonomy to buck Washington D.C.

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