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[Toemeesleather]

Even Krauthammer's a racist.


“Remember (Obama) said two years ago, ‘I’m not on the ballot, but my policies are?'” Krauthammer reminded the audience. “And he got shellacked. And then he said this year, ‘My legacy’s on the ballot.’ And I think he’s going to lose it. I think it’s going to be undone, much of it, in the first hundred days, starting with Obamacare. Everything he signed, all the executive orders, are gone.”

Krauthammer then laid bare for Democrats the devastating truth about the president who took every opportunity to weaken the Constitution and diminish congressional authority: “I think he ends up a historic parenthesis. He has left the Democrats in ruins at every level. The governorships, the state houses, the House, and the Senate, and now the White House. He’s been a wrecking ball for Democrats and I think he deserves a lot of the credit for Trump’s victory.”

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[Professor Tiger]

Even Krauthammer's a racist.

Of course he's a racist. Anybody who is not a Democrat is a racist.

[Toemeesleather]

Since when does a weekend gathering of “nearly 275” white nationalists in a country of more than 320 million people warrant front-page coverage in major newspapers? Since the election of Donald Trump, apparently.

The same media outlets that insisted Mr. Trump wouldn’t beat Hillary Clinton have spent the past two weeks misleading the public about why he did. Breathless coverage of a neo-Nazi sideshow in the nation’s capital—where antiracism protesters almost outnumbered attendees, according to the Washington Post—helps liberals illustrate their preferred “basket of deplorables” explanation for Mrs. Clinton’s loss.

The reality is that Mr. Trump didn’t prevail on Election Day because of fake news stories or voter suppression or ascendant bigotry in America. He won because a lot of people who voted for Barack Obama in previous elections cast ballots for Mr. Trump this time. In Wisconsin, he dominated the Mississippi River Valley region on the state’s western border, which went for Mr. Obama in 2012. In Ohio’s Trumbull County, where the auto industry is a major employer and the population is 89% white, Mr. Obama beat Mitt Romney, 60% to 38%. This year, Trumbull went for Mr. Trump, 51% to 45%. Iowa went for Mr. Obama easily in 2008 and 2012, but this year Mr. Trump won the state by 10 points. Either these previous Obama supporters are closet racists or they’re voting on other issues.



“Trump switched white voters in key states who were blue-collar primarily—coal counties, manufacturing counties,” the Republican strategist Whit Ayres told me this week. “These are blue-collar whites who voted for Barack Obama. And that’s a very uncomfortable thing to admit by the left. It’s much easier to say a ‘basket of deplorables’ elected Trump. But I’m sorry, that just does not conform to the data in those states that made a major swing from one party to the other.”

Part of Mr. Trump’s strategy was to turn out lots of Republicans who stayed home in 2012, but the president-elect appears to have won white voters by a margin similar to that of Mr. Romney. However, Mr. Trump was able to muster an Electoral College majority by taking advantage of lax support for Mrs. Clinton in the metro areas of large, consequential states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. That the Democratic nominee failed to speak to the concerns of Obama voters is not the fault of the alt-right.

“Trump swept the areas that keep the lights on and the motors turning,” demographer Joel Kotkin wrote recently. “Trump seized on the widespread sense that American life was destined to get worse from generation to generation. Americans wanted opportunity for the next generation, not a managed decline.” The press mostly missed this story because it was so focused on the candidate’s tone and temperament. What mattered most to the media was Mr. Trump’s character flaws—and it was inconceivable that voters would have different priorities.

Around two-thirds of the electorate consistently told pollsters that the country was moving in the wrong direction. Mr. Trump represented change. Millions of people in the nation’s interior ultimately decided that they didn’t have the luxury of obsessing over his personal shortcomings. They haven’t had a raise in a decade. College is no longer affordable. Health-care costs were supposed to come down, but premiums have risen. Mr. Trump, they decided, may be crude and unpolished in manner, but he also sounded like someone who could shake things up in Washington. By contrast, a vote for Mrs. Clinton was a vote for more of the same.

Not everyone on the left is blaming racist voters for Mrs. Clinton’s defeat. Sen. Bernie Sanders credited Mr. Trump with understanding “the anger and angst and pain that many working class people are feeling” and added, “I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from.” It’s no coincidence that Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader from San Francisco, is now facing a leadership challenge from Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, who represents areas that flipped from blue to red this year.

Yet regardless of the facts, most liberals and their friends in the media continue to view Mr. Trump’s victory through a self-serving racial lens. Today, race is the Democratic Party’s organizing principle. Group identity is a doctrine and group grievances are to be nurtured and exploited politically no matter the damage to civil discourse. It’s the type of thinking that allows the left to be outraged that the likes of Steve Bannon have Mr. Trump’s ear, and indifferent that the likes of Al Sharpton have had Mr. Obama’s.

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Trump beat 16 other republican challengers on the basis of "build a wall" and "deport 11 million illegals." Enough rubes bought that schtick - and it didn't hurt that the same lowbrow demographic loved Trump on "The Apprentice" - to get the nomination. And then he convinced enough blue collar dems that he'd bring their plant jobs back, and they lapped that up as well. And yeah, the "basket of deplorables' was too close to the bone and therefore overblown - she'd have been better served having said "bushels of know-nothings" or "barrels of dumbshits."

In summary - you can't fool all of the people all of the time...but you CAN put one over on enough people in strategic locations to get an electoral college victory.

[Jungle Rat]

Exactly.

[Jungle Rat]

Trump Lies. America Dies.

[Professor Tiger]

Rather than calling them lowbrows and barrels of dipshits for the next four years, have you considered trying to get them to vote Democrat next time?

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wonder if they were lowbrows and dipshits when they voted democratic for 40 years

[Johnette's Daddy]

wonder if they were lowbrows and dipshits when they voted democratic for 40 years

Well, they voted Democratic except for the 20 years when they voted for Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. Oh, and for the GOP majority in 9 of the past 11 congressional elections and 8 of the past 12 senatorial elections.

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"wonder if they were lowbrows and dipshits when they voted democratic for 40 years"

Trump got just over a million more votes than Romney did in 2012, Hillary got 2 million less than Obama did in 2012. I don't think it's a matter of hordes of dems voting repub this time, I just don't think Hillary was inspiring enough to get the standard dem voters out. But they're still out there, just waiting for the right candidate. Obviously Hillary wasn't it, but the demographics of the country haven't changed...

[crashcourse]

most of the lowborws and dipshits in mid American were democratic union workers bluecollars --those are the ones that voted for 40 years against the repubs. that's the group that switched this election by voting for trump

[hedge]

I'm pretty sure some and perhaps a lot of people who are reliable repub voters didn't vote for Trump. The problem with the repub party, though, is that it's at war with itself. If you get a candidate that all the newspaper editors and country club repubs are willing to back, you risk losing disgruntled Joe Sixpack. And I doubt there's going to be another firebrand like Trump with the name recognition and cultural popularity that's going to even want to run for president, much less be able to captivate the crowds like Trump did. Just keep in mind that Trump has been a lifelong democrat until 2 years ago, I'm pretty sure he's fine with gay marriage and all that other cultural elitist bullshit that the dust bowl yokels hate and he's already shown signs of backing off (way off) of many of the points he used to whip the crowds into a frenzy on the campaign trail. There's plenty to complain about from the liberal perspective, but I won't be surprised if it's a large segment of his supporters who'll be complaining 4 years from now. We'll see...

[Professor Tiger]

Just keep in mind that Trump has been a lifelong democrat until 2 years ago, I'm pretty sure he's fine with gay marriage and all that other cultural elitist bullshit that the dust bowl yokels hate and he's already shown signs of backing off (way off) of many of the points he used to whip the crowds into a frenzy on the campaign trail. There's plenty to complain about from the liberal perspective, but I won't be surprised if it's a large segment of his supporters who'll be complaining 4 years from now. We'll see...

I agree. Trump already backed off on the wall, mass deportations, prosecuting Hillary, and global warming. He made Reince Priebus, Mr. Establishment, his chief of staff. He is likely to make another Establishment dunce, Mitt Romney, Secretary of State. That was just in one week. He'll probably nominate the president of Planned Parenthood for SCOTUS next.

[Professor Tiger]

I almost forgot - he says he wants to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure. I'm assuming all the jobs will be shovel ready.

Great ready for single-payer Trumpcare.

[hedge]

I hope digging your grave is one of those shovel ready jobs...

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Largest Solar Farm in Alabama Added to TVA Grid - Chattanooga Times Free Press

TVA Looks to Import Power from Oklahoma, Texas Wind Farms - Times Free Press

On the bright side, the future is still in our future.

[Professor Tiger]

And since the Trump election, the stock market has been UP UP UP!

Good times indeed.

[Toemeesleather]

Not so fast....

The dems have been dealt a double blow, first the PAH loses, now they lose Castro....tough times indeed.


Keep Pelosi!!!

[sardis]

My condolences to tick, DSL, and Hedge for the loss of one of their great ones today...