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[10ac]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/

70% are from out of state. Hmmmm

[Johnette's Daddy]

we have a society that is fast moving twords nobody wanting to be a cop because they are placed in situations where they have to make life and death decisions and whatever they decide generally opens them up to conjecture and ridicule and sometimes charges. You have stoked situations now where they are ambushed, stabbed, assassinated,

That is one of those "yeah-kinda-but-not-really" debates.

Police recruitment was down everywhere 4-6 years ago - BEFORE Michael Brown, Black Lives Matter, etc. but in recent years it's been static or increasing in most big departments. IMO, the major factor in smaller departments is pay/benefits. My buddy's son (23 years old) is a year out of the police academy in Santa Monica. He has a 2-year AA in Criminal Justice from a junior college and started at $63,000 base salary (his dad said he made over 70 with OT). Full medical/dental/retirement benefits, too boot.

That's DOUBLE what a Naval Academy grad gets, coming out with an engineering degree.

In a small town dept. where they start you at 35 grand, yes, recruitment is down, but some of that is a lack of available applicants. In Cali, some of the smaller departments are basically seen as feeders to the big ones. People who cannot get in to LAPD or Sheriffs go to the small cities or exurbia and then transfer over to the big boys later.

In Dallas, applications to the PD tripled after the 2 cops were assassinated. For every person who backs away from wanting to apply because of negative press, one steps up who wants to bash a protester's head.

As for cops who are "retiring in droves because of the current climate" (a line I heard a few months ago), those folks are still civil servants and every single civil servant that I know comes in the door circling their vesting dates, their 20 year date and their 30 year date. It's amazing how many of them who are "fed up with the bullshit" after 20 years of service manage to hang on for another 12/13 years and max out their pensions.

[Johnette's Daddy]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/

70% are from out of state. Hmmmm

Page Not Found - they probably realized they story was crap and took it down.

[Johnette's Daddy]

Just for Prof!

Eyewitness to #KeithLamontScott Shooting: ‘The Officer That Shot That Man Was White’
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/20 ... -shooting/

Williams says that couldn’t be further from the truth: “It was not a black officer that killed him; it was a white officer that killed him. He was bald-headed. The black officer came on the scene 15, maybe 10 or 15 minutes later. And he was the one doing CPR on him … and I’m pretty sure by that time, the man was already gone. He didn’t die at [Carolinas Medical Center] at 4 [p.m.], he died out here at 2:30 [p.m.].

“I actually saw the shooting,” Williams continued. “I saw that man die. I saw him take his last breath. I saw him move and then there was nothing; he didn’t move no more after that.”

Too bad we cannot watch the video . . .

[bluetick]

I'm always curious about that. "We can't release the [audio, video, pics, whatever] until the investigation is complete." I mean, that video I posted of the guy shot 16 times was kept under wraps for over a year. Strange, if you consider that taxpayers paid for - and can rightfully claim ownership of - that information. Authorities need to come stronger with an explanation for withholding the Charlotte video(s) from public view.

[sardis]

Root never takes their ridiculous assertions down.

[Johnette's Daddy]

Root never takes their ridiculous assertions down.

Their "ridiculous assertions" are actually sourced - and linked - to other media sources.

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[sardis]

Nowhere in that link says anyone disagrees to the fact that it was Officer Vinson (black) who shot the man.

[Cletus]

Again I must ask: if the shooting cop was black, and the police chief is black, how is this shooting being called racist? Are we supposed to believe that black cops hate black people?

I-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N-A-L-I-Z-E-D R-A-C-I-S-M

The system (i.e. the training, attitudes and culture) of the police department are racist. It's NOT about individual cops.

Police chief suspends training program after outcry over use of black men’s mugshots for target practice

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... rylink=cpy



If this is what you are trained to shoot at - you shoot it first and ask questions later.

You're asking Prof to understand nuance and that's not really his thing.

[Professor Tiger]

So black police chiefs train black cops that causes them to fire on other black people quicker than on white people.That must be some bodaciously powerful training. It must include inserting microchips just below the skin.

[10ac]

Page Not Found - they probably realized they story was crap and took it down.

I've heard it broadcast on a couple of radio news programs today.

[crashcourse]

here part of the video. wonder where the gun is


https://www.yahoo.com/news/charlotte-st ... 25956.html

[crashcourse]

the black cop in the vest appears to reach down and either place something or pick up something. supposedly he was the shooter now varying degrees on whether he was or not

looked like a nice neighborhood

wonder why the cops came in the first place--assuming he was in the white pickup truck

[10ac]

I saw no need for that. That was bullshit with his wife standing right there.

[hedge]

But it would've been OK if she hadn't been there?

[Johnette's Daddy]

So black police chiefs train black cops that causes them to fire on other black people quicker than on white people.That must be some bodaciously powerful training. It must include inserting microchips just below the skin.

Black police chiefs don't train black cops in the same way that white admirals don't train white sailors. The training is system that was created decades before the black chief joined the force (even if s/he came up in the department) and even if the chief was formerly the head of the training division, he or she may not understand the deficiencies in the training - ESPECIALLY IF S/HE WAS A PRODUCT OF THAT TRAINING!

After the Rodney King Riots of 1992. LA Police Chief Daryl Gates "retired" and was replaced by LA's 1st Black police chief, Willie Williams. Willie was an outsider brought in from Philadelphia PD and the entire LAPD "sat down" on him - including the black commanders - when he tried to change the training protocols and procedures in the department. Even though he was popular with the public, the police commission did not renew his contract.

They replaced him with Bernard Parks (also black) - a career LAPD guy who was endorsed by both former chief Gates AND the police union. The cops LOVED him - he was THEIR GUY . . . but the community reviled him as he undid the few changes that Williams had instituted. Even though he was an entrenched part of the black community - member of the right clubs and social sets, attended a major church, wife a civic icon, etc., - black leaders demanded that he go because the consensus (backed up by data) was that LAPD was MORE BRUTAL TO MINORITIES under his leadership than it was under even Gates, which led to the LAPD being placed under a Federal Consent Decree.

Parks was black - but his mindset was shaped by the training he received in the early 60s when LAPD's main function was to keep the black, the brown and the poor out of the way of the rich white folks on the westside. That is institutionalized racism - the race of the person running the system doesn't matter because the system does what it does.

[10ac]

But it would've been OK if she hadn't been there?

Hell no, but she was there. They should have let her talk to him to see if she could reason with him. Or call one of their negotiators or something. Not shoot him down in front of his wife. Be a hero, talk him down don't push him off the ledge.

[aTm]

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[Jungle Rat]

He had a gun, wouldn't comply etc. But, he should have been tazed first.

[hedge]

"black leaders demanded that he go because the consensus (backed up by data) was that LAPD was MORE BRUTAL TO MINORITIES under his leadership than it was under even Gates"

They didn't let the fact that they were black blind them to the fact that blackie and brownie need to be treated brutally by police to keep them in line and maintain order so that whitey can go about conducting the real business of this country, so that there will be enough tax revenue to ensure that blackie and brownie don't have to work but will still get a cell phone, food and lodging for free...