Florida State Seminoles

[Owlman]

After Brexit vote, wave of racist and xenophobic threats reported across U.K.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brexit-post- ... 00858.html

...In the wake of Britain’s historic Brexit vote to leave the European Union last week, U.K. police have been receiving increased reports of xenophobic and racist threats made against immigrants across the country — particularly Polish people, local officials said....

que the Polish jokes

[Saint]

I have all of these: Italian, Jewish, Black Folks, White Folks. The '70s were awesome.

[Owlman]

Study: Trump budget, tax plans add at least $10T to debt

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-trump- ... 42051.html

"The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says Democrat Hillary Clinton's agenda — which relies on tax increases to pay for proposals such as making the Affordable Care Act more generous — would increase the debt by about $250 billion over 10 years."

[eCat]

Hillary Adds $1Trillion in taxes and won't lower the corporate tax rate to create jobs domestically

[sardis]

Obama has increased the debt $9 Trillion over 7 years. Didn't notice any alarm from you about that.

[bluetick]

The Donald will renegotiate the U.S. debt with our creditors, getting them to accept dimes on the dollars. He's worked those kinds of deals many times. Granted, the outcomes weren't always tremendous...but he didn't have nukes in his back pocket back then.

[hedge]

Obama has increased the debt $9 Trillion over 7 years. Didn't notice any alarm from you about that.

I wonder how much of that was in the first year of his reign due to the bailout?

[sardis]

No, no, no, that bailout was all paid back....or so we are told.

[sardis]

Marine Le Pen is impressive. Wish we had female politicians as intelligent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/opini ... table.html

[DooKSucks]

The Common Market was developed to keep the French and Krauts tied at the hip to ease tensions. The idea then spread across Europe.

As long as NATO is in place (thanks to Russia, the Europeans will cling to that for protection), geopolitical issues will not reach traditional pre-WW2 levels, but if NATO were to dissolve or become irrelevant, I could foresee major geo-political issues between GB and the continent. Thankfully, the chances of that happening in our lifetimes are slim.

[aTm]

The Donald will renegotiate the U.S. debt with our creditors, getting them to accept dimes on the dollars. He's worked those kinds of deals many times. Granted, the outcomes weren't always tremendous...but he didn't have nukes in his back pocket back then.

So he's gonna threaten to nuke US banks, government pensions, and mutual funds who hold treasuries, if they dont agree to renegotiate? Bold move Cotton.

[Bklyn]

Taibbi... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... d-20160627

Were I British, I'd probably have voted to Remain. But it's not hard to understand being pissed off at being subject to unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels. Nor is it hard to imagine the post-Brexit backlash confirming every suspicion you might have about the people who run the EU.

Imagine having pundits and professors suggest you should have your voting rights curtailed because you voted Leave. Now imagine these same people are calling voters like you "children," and castigating you for being insufficiently appreciative of, say, the joys of submitting to a European Supreme Court that claims primacy over the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights.

The overall message in every case is the same: Let us handle things.

But whatever, let's assume that the Brexit voters, like Trump voters, are wrong, ignorant, dangerous and unjustified.

Even stipulating to that, the reaction to both Brexit and Trump reveals a problem potentially more serious than either Brexit or the Trump campaign. It's become perilously fashionable all over the Western world to reach for non-democratic solutions whenever society drifts in a direction people don't like. Here in America the problem is snowballing on both the right and the left.

Whether it's Andrew Sullivan calling for Republican insiders to rig the nomination process to derail Trump's candidacy, or Democratic Party lifers like Peter Orszag arguing that Republican intransigence in Congress means we should turn more power over to "depoliticized commissions," the instinct to act by diktat surfaces quite a lot these days.

[Bklyn]

The Donald will renegotiate the U.S. debt with our creditors, getting them to accept dimes on the dollars. He's worked those kinds of deals many times. Granted, the outcomes weren't always tremendous...but he didn't have nukes in his back pocket back then.

So he's gonna threaten to nuke US banks, government pensions, and mutual funds who hold treasuries, if they dont agree to renegotiate? Bold move Cotton.

You realize that was sarcasm, though, right?

[aTm]

Heh, no I seriously thought bluetick was pro-Trump and pro-nukes!

[hedge]

"Thankfully, the chances of that happening in our lifetimes are slim."

What are the chances you'll get slim in our lifetimes?

[bluetick]

I grew up 10 minutes from the atomic city, Oak Ridge TN, so I was raised to love the bomb. We cheered at all the wrong parts of Dr. Strangelove.

[sardis]

"Thankfully, the chances of that happening in our lifetimes are slim."

What are the chances you'll get slim in our lifetimes?

A+

[eCat]

I grew up 10 minutes from the atomic city, Oak Ridge TN, so I was raised to love the bomb. We cheered at all the wrong parts of Dr. Strangelove.

10 minutes from Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant

[eCat]

Taibbi... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... d-20160627

Were I British, I'd probably have voted to Remain. But it's not hard to understand being pissed off at being subject to unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels. Nor is it hard to imagine the post-Brexit backlash confirming every suspicion you might have about the people who run the EU.

Imagine having pundits and professors suggest you should have your voting rights curtailed because you voted Leave. Now imagine these same people are calling voters like you "children," and castigating you for being insufficiently appreciative of, say, the joys of submitting to a European Supreme Court that claims primacy over the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights.

The overall message in every case is the same: Let us handle things.

But whatever, let's assume that the Brexit voters, like Trump voters, are wrong, ignorant, dangerous and unjustified.

Even stipulating to that, the reaction to both Brexit and Trump reveals a problem potentially more serious than either Brexit or the Trump campaign. It's become perilously fashionable all over the Western world to reach for non-democratic solutions whenever society drifts in a direction people don't like. Here in America the problem is snowballing on both the right and the left.

Whether it's Andrew Sullivan calling for Republican insiders to rig the nomination process to derail Trump's candidacy, or Democratic Party lifers like Peter Orszag arguing that Republican intransigence in Congress means we should turn more power over to "depoliticized commissions," the instinct to act by diktat surfaces quite a lot these days.

Probably what keeps Trump supporters going is the dismissive and threatening tones of those who oppose them.

I fully expect that Trump supporters will have buyers remorse if he is elected

but they'll be satisfied knowing they gave a big screw you to everyone who painted them with a wide brush on every -ism and -phobia.

If people would be willing to legitimatize their concerns, instead of saying , for example, its racist to claim a Latino judge openly admitting ties to La Raza might be biased against someone who is anti-immigration, then there might be movement toward middle ground.

Even if Trump loses, these people won't go away. America will continue to deal with the Ted Cruz's type crusaders who man a 1 man army to shut down what some may label as progress.

[bluetick]

I grew up 10 minutes from the atomic city, Oak Ridge TN, so I was raised to love the bomb. We cheered at all the wrong parts of Dr. Strangelove.

10 minutes from Paducah Gaseous Diffusion Plant

No doubt PGDP is sighted by a Siberian 80 ton ICBM. You'd have barely enough time to grab a last beer out of the fridge.