Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[bluetick]

Is that what he was doing? Confronting chaos and violent crime?

Pretty sure you saw the same video the rest of us saw. Paul Blart, Pool Cop - body slamming the small girl and drawing down on those towel-wielding boys.

[hedge]

Don't call Prof out on his outrageous hyperbole. It's all he's got...

[Professor Tiger]

Incorrect.

The Baltimore City Fraternal Order of Police said on Thursday that Baltimore’s recent rise in crime is linked to fear among police officers that they will be arrested for doing their jobs.

“The criminals are taking advantage of the situation in Baltimore since the unrest. Criminals feel empowered now. There is no respect. Police are under siege in every quarter. They are more afraid of going to jail for doing their jobs properly than they are of getting shot on duty,” union president Lieutenant Gene Ryan said in a statement.

http://www.newsweek.com/baltimore-polic ... ray-336942

Crime is surging throughout major American cities thanks to anti-police protesters who have made law enforcement reluctant to confront criminals, it has been claimed.

Murders and violent crimes in New York City, Baltimore, St Louis, Chicago and Los Angeles have all spiked in recent months, according to police statistics.

And according to a political commentator and police expert, the increased lawlessness is a direct response to the Black Lives Matters protest movement.

Heather Mac Donald, author of Are Cops Racist?, wrote in the Wall Street Journal, saying that arrest slowdowns in major cities like Baltimore comes as police are more and more tentative about enforcing crime, in case they get indicted or publicly demonized.

The phenomenon has previously been dubbed The Ferguson Effect, in reference to the Missouri town where the shooting of Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson became a national flashpoint.

Following the controversial killing, thousands of protesters accused the local police department of being inherently racist - charges with have multiplied across the country as further instances of black suspects being shot and killed by police have fueled the fires.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3cmYuk0v3

[Professor Tiger]

More incorrect:

Similar “Ferguson effects” are happening across the country as officers scale back on proactive policing under the onslaught of anti-cop rhetoric. Arrests in Baltimore were down 56% in May compared with 2014.

“Any cop who uses his gun now has to worry about being indicted and losing his job and family,” a New York City officer tells me. “Everything has the potential to be recorded. A lot of cops feel that the climate for the next couple of years is going to be nonstop protests.”

Police officers now second-guess themselves about the use of force. “Officers are trying to invent techniques on the spot for taking down resistant suspects that don’t look as bad as the techniques taught in the academy,” says Jim Dudley, who recently retired as deputy police chief in San Francisco. Officers complain that civilians don’t understand how hard it is to control someone resisting arrest.

A New York City cop tells me that he was amazed to hear people scoffing that Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, who killed Michael Brown, only looked a “little red” after Brown assaulted him and tried to grab his weapon: “Does an officer need to be unconscious before he can use force? If someone is willing to fight you, he’s also willing to take your gun and shoot you. You can’t lose a fight with a guy who has already put his hands on you because if you do, you will likely end up dead.”

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward A. Flynn, discussing hostility toward the police, told me in an interview on Friday: “I’ve never seen anything like it. I’m guessing it will take five years to recover.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-nat ... 1432938425

[Professor Tiger]

Even more incorrect, and from all places, the bed wetters at the NYT:

Violence is rising in many cities across the country. May was by some measures the most crime-ridden month in Baltimore’s history since records started being kept, according to the Baltimore Sun.

Officers say they are reluctant to be proactive because of the vitriol they face.The victims will be law-abiding residents of crime-ridden areas.

In Milwaukee, homicides were up 180 percent by May 17 compared to the same period in 2014.

In Houston, murders were up nearly 100 percent through March. In Chicago, shootings were up 25 percent and homicides up 18 percent through May 24. In New York, murder was up 20 percent and shooting incidents 9 percent through May 31.

Not all cities are experiencing significant crime increases. But enough are to demand attention.

One possible explanation is that officers have become reluctant to engage in proactive policing because of the vitriol they have faced over the last nine months, a hypothesis based on interviews with officers, the observations of commanders, and past experience.The claim, frequently repeated in the media, that police routinely kill young black men has led to riots, sometimes violent protests and attacks on officers.

The assassination of two New York police officers in December tamped down the rhetoric only temporarily. Two men who met during the protests in Ferguson, Mo., pleaded guilty this week to planning to bomb a police station.

Arrests in many communities have become fraught, with angry crowds surrounding officers when they respond to calls for assistance.

A good-faith error may now lead to a criminal indictment, police worry. Cell phone videos may capture only their own use of force and not a suspect’s resistance to an arrest.

In November, Chief Sam Dotson of the St. Louis Police referred to the “Ferguson effect”: officers backing away from discretionary enforcement under charges of racism, thereby emboldening criminals. At that point, arrests in St. Louis city and county had dropped a third since the August shooting of Michael Brown in nearby Ferguson. Homicides in the city had surged 47 percent and robberies in the county were up 82 percent. In Baltimore, arrests dropped 56 percent this May since the protests and riots over the death of Freddie Gray, while shootings so far this year are up more than 60 percent compared to the same period last year.

In New York, arrests are down 17.4 percent through May 31 compared to the same period last year. Criminal summons, which encompass many discretionary, low-level offenses, are down 26 percent.

Pedestrian stops in New York are down 95 percent from the 2011 high. Guns are showing up daily in routine street encounters, N.Y.P.D. officials report.

Any police killing of an unarmed, innocent civilian is a horrifying tragedy that training must work incessantly to prevent. And officers have an obligation to treat the public with courtesy and respect. But if police officers disengage, the casualties will be millions of law-abiding residents of crime-ridden neighborhoods who were liberated from fear by the last two decades of proactive enforcement.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/20 ... e-rhetoric

[hedge]

I'm fine with a few "criminals" getting away if it keeps cops from harassing citizens...

[Professor Tiger]

I'm fine with a few "criminals" getting away if it keeps cops from harassing citizens...

Judging from the surge in violent crimes in many cities, along with a concurrent plunge in police arrests, I'd say it's more than a few criminals getting away with it. Chicago is so bad that Spike Lee is doing a piece entitled "Chiraq."

[bluetick]

Whether they burn Baltimore to the ground or not, Pool Cop was an out of control ass - period, eos. At least admit that much.

[bluetick]

[Johnette's Daddy]

I'm fine with a few "criminals" getting away if it keeps cops from harassing citizens...

Judging from the surge in violent crimes in many cities, along with a concurrent plunge in police arrests, I'd say it's more than a few criminals getting away with it. Chicago is so bad that Spike Lee is doing a piece entitled "Chiraq."

This is all bullshit. PDs around the country manipulate crime data to sway public opinion.

Want the folks to feel good about the chief? "Violent crime is way down! They should re-up the Chief for another 5 years!"

Need another $80 million for the budget? "Violent crime is way up - we don't have enough cops/bullets/training dummies!"

The real numbers come from the Feds and take about 5 years to aggregate, analyze, dis-aggregate and re-aggregate into something meaningful.

NYPD report confirms manipulation of crime stats http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/ ... 8620120309

The Truth About Chicago’s Crime Rates http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magaz ... ime-rates/

Crime statistics are manipulated, says police chief http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25022680

Fudge factor: Cooking the books on crime stats http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/ ... ime-stats/

[Professor Tiger]

I think the local press in those cities can count dead bodies. Chicago, for example:

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

Maybe the Trib didn't get the memo to inflate the murder rates.

[Jungle Rat]

Cincys chief has been under a lot of heat from the city manager because of a 26% increase in shootings this year. He even tried to get him to quit. He gave him 4 days to come up with a 90 day plan to fix it. Ended up giving him a week.

I don't get why the chief is getting all this shit from the city manager. Violent crime is down, murders are down and most everything else is down I believe except shootings. Hell, 2 hours after they announced the plan 4 more got shot. Raising it from 25 to 26%.

The problem is all the illegal guns on the streets down there. They are adding more foot cops which can be both good or bad. I hope those cops they add are black though because a major majority of these shootings are black on black in predominantly black neighborhoods. That's not opinion, that's a fact. Putting a white cop down there in these highly charged times just and another match to a potential fire.

Personally, I wish the cops had technology to be able to drive down the street and had some sort of x ray device they can scan the corners for hidden guns on people. Or the beat cops put everyone against the wall and search them if things seem hinky any time of day. That's how you get the # down.

Let me add, both the police chief and the city manager are black. As was out last mayor (who can't throw a baseball), our last Reds manager to take them to the playoffs and our football head coach for the last 65 years.

Cincy has come a long way since the riots. To throw the blame at the chief alone is just plain stupid.

::: kicks cat :::

[Professor Tiger]

Whether they burn Baltimore to the ground or not, Pool Cop was an out of control ass - period, eos. At least admit that much.

Of course he was. My point is, by being an out of control ass, he is going against the recent trend of cops laying down rather than making arrests in order to avoid getting Ferguson'd.

[hedge]

Yeah, laying down whenever some nerve is required. When it comes to harassing teens at a pool party, OTOH, they suddenly become RoboCop...

[Johnette's Daddy]

Let me add, both the police chief and the city manager are black. As was out last mayor (who can't throw a baseball), our last Reds manager to take them to the playoffs and our football head coach for the last 65 years.

Cincy has come a long way since the riots. To throw the blame at the chief alone is just plain stupid.

::: kicks cat :::

I went to Miami of Ohio way back when. Cincinnati in the early 80's struck me as the most racist city on earth. I remember when the white UC fraternities would do "pimp/ho" parties on MLK Day and then wonder why the black students were all bent out of shape. I would go to some of the black areas of Cincy and - with the exception of Jacksonville - found them to be the most depressed, backwards thinking communities I'd ever seen. It made me think of sharecroppers in the post-bellum south.

Ironically enough, Sylvester Murray (black) was the City Manager back then.

[bluetick]

http://whotv.com/2015/06/10/des-moines- ... ar-window/

We'll never know what the guy was going to do when he got to her window - beat on the glass, ask for a light, plead innocence. Little doubt that he was drunk or similarly impaired.

Just another cautionary tale imo. Always assume your dealing with the 20-30% of cops who have no business being in law enforcement. Make no sudden movements and keep your hands where they can be seen.

[Jungle Rat]

I went to Miami of Ohio way back when. Cincinnati in the early 80's struck me as the most racist city on earth. I remember when the white UC fraternities would do "pimp/ho" parties on MLK Day and then wonder why the black students were all bent out of shape. I would go to some of the black areas of Cincy and - with the exception of Jacksonville - found them to be the most depressed, backwards thinking communities I'd ever seen. It made me think of sharecroppers in the post-bellum south.

Ironically enough, Sylvester Murray (black) was the City Manager back then.

It was a pretty racist town back then no doubt. They've come a long way since the riots. You'd be amazed at all the changes since then.

[hedge]

" I remember when the white UC fraternities would do "pimp/ho" parties on MLK Day and then wonder why the black students were all bent out of shape. I would go to some of the black areas of Cincy and - "

I thought you were going to say "and saw real pimps and hos"...

[sardis]

I don't understand the problem. If someone wants to make herself out as African American who are us to say she is not?...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washin ... index.html

[Johnette's Daddy]

" I remember when the white UC fraternities would do "pimp/ho" parties on MLK Day and then wonder why the black students were all bent out of shape. I would go to some of the black areas of Cincy and - "

I thought you were going to say "and saw real pimps and hos"...

This is a real pimp and a real ho in 1980's Cincinnati: