Ostensibly Hoops

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:58 pm

'77 was the year UNC beat UK in a regional final

hedge · Post by **hedge** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:39 pm

That was still before UK was on my radar as a UNC rival...

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:08 pm

UK wasn't on my radar at all until I started posting at cnnsi.com. they might as well have been Cincinnati

hedge · Post by **hedge** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:07 am

They were on my radar when they got Pitino and started burning it up and then we had to play them in the elite 8 in 1995 and then again when we were both in the FF in 1997 and 1998 (even though we missed playing them both times)...

aTm · Post by **aTm** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:43 pm

[youtube]FA3gqUTEMuI[/youtube]

NBA highlight doesn't get much better for an A&M fan. Not only do you have Khris Middleton hitting the winning shot at the buzzer, but its also got PJ Tucker watching it go in and breaking down under the hoop.

Bklyn · Post by **Bklyn** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Step III komplete in his road to banging a Kardashian.

eCat · Post by **eCat** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:55 pm

Why is UNC playing back to back road games in the OOC schedule?

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:34 pm

Calipari at Kinston High tonight to watch Ingram and the Vikings play Hunt, my and Hedge's alma mater. K and Roy were there a week or 2 ago and then K was back by himself last week (with henchman Capel). I think UCLA had someone there tonight too.

I think Ingram will be first high profile Kinston player to not go to UNC (not counting Charles Shackelford, who I don't think was highly pursued by Dean Smith). Roy has to either reinvent himself and UNC basketball quickly or retire or face a long, slow decline.

innocentbystander · Post by **innocentbystander** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:14 am

I think Alabama Alum might have just taken hemlock....

crotch · Post by **crotch** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:44 am

Bama handed the Shockers a Christmas gift......

Owlman · Post by **Owlman** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:13 am

innocentbystander wrote:I think Alabama Alum might have just taken hemlock....

He's okay. After all, college football is king in Alabama. One of the issues about the Alabama-Birmingham program closing is a sneaky suspicion that Alabama alum controlling the Board are behind it because they don't want a local college recruiting in the biggest town in the state (as though they can out-recruit the big dog. However, supposedly, when Alabama was trying to hire Jimbo Fisher (I think it was Fisher) as Offensive Coordinator, Ala-Birm was going to hire him as the head coach for an agreed amount of money before the Board all of a sudden reduced the money below what he could have made as an OC with the Tide.

Heard this on one of the Sirius National radio broadcasts (so don't blame me AA)

aTm · Post by **aTm** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:35 am

RIP Mook

[youtube]4qoymGCDYzU[/youtube]

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:43 am

The program is $20 million dollars a year in the red, they play before 10k people (many of those with free tickets), and it has been a very bad product most years.

The ROI isn't there. The program should have been shuttered.

* The reports of unnamed "boosters" and businesses promising to send millions of dollars in support sounds nice. But, as you may have guessed, those anonymous donations never seemed to make their way to UAB.

* The thought that Alabama is recruiting the same kids is silly. But if we were, the vast majority of recruits would not pick UAB over Alabama or Auburn.

* If you want the real cause of the collapse, it's billionaire Richard Scrushy, a UAB alum, being send to prison in 2006 and most of his money being seized.

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:44 am

As far as Alabama basketball, Grant should have been fired at the end of last year, and Bruce Pearl should have been hired at Bama - the school he allegedly wanted to go to as a first choice in the SEC.

Owlman · Post by **Owlman** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:12 pm

I'm sure you're right. But it's not so cut-and-dried. From November 2014 before the decision was made:

UAB football program can't outrun past, escape shadow of Alabama

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/ ... of-alabama

UAB football supporters have long argued the board of trustees has sought to hamper the program’s success. In 2006, UAB had reached an agreement with Jimbo Fisher to become its new football coach. But the board of trustees nixed the deal, and Fisher, who was then LSU’s offensive coordinator, went to Florida State the next season" (at the time, Alabama was trying to recruit Fisher as an OC). "He succeeded Seminoles coach Bobby Bowden in 2010 and guided FSU to a BCS national championship last season.

and later

Thirteen of the 15 trustees received undergraduate or law degrees from the University of Alabama, including Paul W. Bryant Jr., the son of legendary Crimson Tide football coach Paul “Bear” Bryant.....

In 2011, UAB officials sought to build a 30,000-seat stadium on campus to replace decaying Legion Field, but the board of trustees shot down the proposed project, saying it was fiscally irresponsible to spend $75 million on a stadium that would be used only a few times a week. At the time, the board said in a statement that it was “the wrong project at the wrong time.”

“I’ve never understood it,” said Justin Craft, a former UAB football player and financial planner in Birmingham. “If you look at it from a revenue standpoint, UAB, with its university and hospital, brings in more money than Tuscaloosa and Huntsville combined. There needs to be more representation on the board.”

Saint · Post by **Saint** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:03 pm

Why do you lie, AA?

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:16 pm

aTm wrote:RIP Mook

[youtube]4qoymGCDYzU[/youtube]

I always hated lip sync

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:39 pm

Owlman wrote:I'm sure you're right. But it's not so cut-and-dried. From November 2014 before the decision was made:

UAB football program can't outrun past, escape shadow of Alabama

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/ ... of-alabama

UAB football supporters have long argued the board of trustees has sought to hamper the program’s success. In 2006, UAB had reached an agreement with Jimbo Fisher to become its new football coach. But the board of trustees nixed the deal, and Fisher, who was then LSU’s offensive coordinator, went to Florida State the next season" (at the time, Alabama was trying to recruit Fisher as an OC). "He succeeded Seminoles coach Bobby Bowden in 2010 and guided FSU to a BCS national championship last season.

and later

Thirteen of the 15 trustees received undergraduate or law degrees from the University of Alabama, including Paul W. Bryant Jr., the son of legendary Crimson Tide football coach Paul “Bear” Bryant.....

In 2011, UAB officials sought to build a 30,000-seat stadium on campus to replace decaying Legion Field, but the board of trustees shot down the proposed project, saying it was fiscally irresponsible to spend $75 million on a stadium that would be used only a few times a week. At the time, the board said in a statement that it was “the wrong project at the wrong time.”

“I’ve never understood it,” said Justin Craft, a former UAB football player and financial planner in Birmingham. “If you look at it from a revenue standpoint, UAB, with its university and hospital, brings in more money than Tuscaloosa and Huntsville combined. There needs to be more representation on the board.”

It pretty much is that cut and dried.

* UAB athletics is hemorrhaging money. Has been for well over a decade.

* UAB was hemorrhaging money when a few people said they would give money to defray the cost of Jimbo's salary. No, hard money, no plan for subsequent years of the contract. Just a handful of promises.

* UAB's research dollars and grants cannot be used for UAB's athletics teams. It kills me that people trot that out.

* UAB students and fans needed to show real support for the teams to make a $75 million capital project for new stadium a good, worthwhile investment. They did not. If I went to my bank to get a business loan, and I said "Hey, my business is losing $20 million a year, but if you give me a $75 million loan, I think people will start supporting me!" the bank would have security escort me out.

* The president of UAB, Ray Watts (a physician and a great guy), has said that the Board did not mandate that he shutter football. I believe him.

* As a faculty member and alumnus of UAB, I support Ray Watt's decision. He did it poorly, though. Two years ago he should have said, "UAB football is moribund. If fans, students, and boosters don't help us do a 180, the program will have to be put down like Ol'Yeller." He also needed to bring the faculty senate in the fold and put this message in front of the students at least 20 months before he did.

Jungle Rat · Post by **Jungle Rat** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:09 pm

UAB football is getting fucked

AlabamAlum · Post by **AlabamAlum** » Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:27 pm

If 'fucked' is a synonym for 'shuttered' in your lexicon, then that is correct.

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