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[Dr. Strangelove]

Lindsey Graham says the recently released 67th report on Benghazi, which cleared the govt of any wrong-doing, was 'full of crap'.

Reminder: Republicans control the committee which has investigated Benghazi 67 times and wrote the report which Lindsey Graham knows is full of shit.

http://theweek.com/article/index/272489 ... ll-of-crap

[innocentbystander]

I agree with JD on this. The reason we have virtually open borders and millions of illegal aliens is both parties want it that way. When the Democrats see a Mexican running across the border, they smile and see a future Democrat voter, along with his wife and six children, assuring a one-party America in 20 years. When Establishment Republicans see a Mexican running across the border, they smile and see a hard worker they only have to pay $5.00/hour, no benefits, no unions, and greatly enhanced profits for some business somewhere. IB, they provide EXCELLENT economic benefits to to businesses in the United States.

Having millions of Illegal immigrants is about the only issue that has total bipartisan support.

[Throws IB a bone]: Don't forget the live-in maid/nanny who works 96 hours/week for $200.00. If you take away the Blancas, Anas and Marisols from your spoiled, lazy wives, anarchy would ensue.

Listen prophet, the live-in-maid/nanny who works 96 hours/week for $200 (and sometimes f-cks "the mister" when his wife isn't looking) is breaking the law. She's a criminal. The needs to go home, now. And this is not her home. And the two people who hired her, they are both criminals. They need to pay a fine or go to jail. That is the only way these "bullsh-t jobs" will disappear. Time to take away the Blancas, the Anas, and the Marisols because the spoiled, lazy wife needs to get up off her fat ass and make her husband a sammich.

[innocentbystander]

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[Dr. Strangelove]

Fox News barely mentions the release of the GOP-written report which pretty much clears the administration of any intentional wrong-doing in Benghazi

Lindsey Graham promises to lanch 9 new investigations into the matter. Because there MUST BE something to find!!!

[Dr. Strangelove]

Former Cosby Show employee comes forward that he regularly sent money from Cosby to women under his own name

This guy is now a 90-year-old man so I'm a little dubious that he's seeking '15 minutes of fame' as Cosby's attorney claims.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/ex-nbc-employ ... 42015.html

[AlabamAlum]

Did you read his Letterman requests? I hope it's satire.

[Professor Tiger]

IB, if your dream came true, and all the illegals in America were suddenly deported, the agriculture industry (the largest industry in the US) would be devastated as nobody would be harvesting the crops in California, plucking the chickens in Georgia or manning the hog processing plants in Norh Carolina. The construction industry would grind to a halt for lack of laborers. The restaurant industry would be in big trouble as nobody would be washing the dishes or cooking the food. And the Establishment Republicans would have to started mowing their own lawns, planting their own petunias, changing their own kids diapers, vacuuming their own pools, cooking their own dinners, etc. etc. So much for the bull***t jobs that shouldn't exist.

[innocentbystander]

IB, if your dream came true, and all the illegals in America were suddenly deported, the agriculture industry (the largest industry in the US) would be devastated as nobody would be harvesting the crops in California, plucking the chickens in Georgia or manning the hog processing plants in Norh Carolina. The construction industry would grind to a halt for lack of laborers. The restaurant industry would be in big trouble as nobody would be washing the dishes or cooking the food. And the Establishment Republicans would have to started mowing their own lawns, planting their own petunias, changing their own kids diapers, vacuuming their own pools, cooking their own dinners, etc. etc. So much for the bull***t jobs that shouldn't exist.

Pure hooey.

Construction is not life or death (if there was "no labor" as you said) then they would just stop building stuff until the construction companies could find legal citizens to do the work. All that means is that they have to raise the wage which means they raise the price of buildings. Or they don't build. That is it. Much of our agriculture is now automated with large corporate farming using huge automated equipment and all the illegals disappearing means that they raise the price of pork and chickens. We don't need any restaurants to survive (none) and if the establishment Republicans had to mow their own lawns and clean their own pools (like I do, and I am one of those establishment Republicans) then it is probably for the best.

20,000,000 disappear and no one dies. No one is in danger. Kids continue to be educated. Planes continue to fly. Gas stations are open. Grocery stores are open. Banks are open. Hospitals are open. Water continues to flow out of the spigot. Light turns on when you flip the switch. Our economy would be just fine.

[Professor Tiger]

So you agree that, without illegals, the result in the biggest industry (agriculture) would be the price of food would go up, causing people to buy less of it; the result in the second largest industry (construction) would building would "stop." The restaurants would all close.

But there would be no negative effect on the economy. "None."

LMAO.

[Professor Tiger]

Maybe this will help you:

http://business.time.com/2012/09/21/bit ... tion-laws/

[innocentbystander]

Maybe this will help you:

http://business.time.com/2012/09/21/bit ... tion-laws/

Excellent link. Sure it helps. It helps explain that apple harvesting in that part of the country relies on a criminal element of underpriced labor in order for it to exist. Therefore, it should not exist.

So the fruits rots on the trees. So what? Who cares? Not I. Pay a fair price for harvesting or you don't get it harvested. And if the fair price for US citizens to do the work means you can't sell the apples for a profit (because the market wont bear that price), then you shouldn't be in business. Open the fields for a u-pick-your-own kind of deal. Tell the yuppies to pick their own apples on the weekends if they want apple pie. We are a nation of obese people, I don't care if apples rot on the trees.

[hedge]

I doubt the obesity problem in America has much to do with apples...

[Professor Tiger]

IB, you might want to check your Establishment Republican credentials. They love it that all those businesses' profits are greatly enhanced by the low labor costs of illegal immigrants. I guarantee your hero, The Willard, is a huge supporter of them.

[hedge]

"Much of our agriculture is now automated with large corporate farming using huge automated equipment"

Almost all produce is hand picked. And meat processing also requires a large pool of human labor at every level, from birth to the grocery shelf. Grains and soybeans are largely automated, but that's about it. Good luck trying to get Americans to do that work, although I understand that that is your dream...

[hedge]

"I guarantee your hero, The Willard, is a huge supporter of them."

I bet Ayn Rand would've been, too. She would have advocated the "strong" capitalists saying fuck you to the government to get the cheapest labor possible in order to maximize profits. I'm sure she would've approved, too, on purely philosophical and ethical grounds (according to the light of her ethics, anyway), of using labor that took great risk to get to the place that they could actually work and make some money in favor of lazy homegrown labor that would demand much more money and benefits (and unions), etc., to do the exact same work. I think IB is just a little confused...

[innocentbystander]

IB, you might want to check your Establishment Republican credentials. They love it that all those businesses' profits are greatly enhanced by the low labor costs of illegal immigrants. I guarantee your hero, The Willard, is a huge supporter of them.

I guarantee you the Willard is not a fan ot low cost criminal labor. And I guarantee you the majority of the establishment Republicans are not deep thinkers (enough) to fully understand this. McCain certainly didn't. They only understand polls.

[hedge]

Ayn Rand would've applauded intrepid souls who took great personal risk in order to better themselves despite the immoral attempt by a tyrannical government to protect the collectivist interest of its lazy citizens...

[innocentbystander]

Ayn Rand would've applauded intrepid souls who took great personal risk in order to better themselves despite the immoral attempt by a tyrannical government to protect the collectivist interest of its lazy citizens...

No.

Ayn Rand would admire those poor souls voting with their feet while at the same time say that you are not asking the right question. Ayn Rand would say what is with a country like Mexico being so corrupt and primative, so savage, so elitest, so racist with the white skinned Mexicans shunning the dark skinned ones, that the poorest and least educated are running away from the country (literally climbing over the walls to escape it) all the while the most educated and the most wealthy are doing all that they can to get those poorer uneducated people to leave and be someone else's problem? That is the only question that matters.

The poorest of the poor of the United States do NOT run to Canada to get cradle to grave single payer healthcare because it isn't offered here. The Canadians wouldn't let them emigrate there anyway even if they did (you have to have MONEY if you want to become a Canadian citizen, that OR a war in Southeast Asia that Canada does not approve of and wants to grant exile to pussy Americans escaping it.) But our poorest are not going there because life even for the most poor in our country offers them far more opportunites than Canada can offer entitlements. Canadian medical doctors, accountants, and engineers come here to the states. Ayn Rand would be the first one to point that out.... and don't even mention how difficult or expensive it is for the poorest Americans to get there, a dirt poor Detroit resident can get there in 5 minutes through a simple tunnel.

Ayn Rand was disgusted and horrified by communism. She was disgusted with Islam (basically she blamed Islam for the reason why England and the United States had to go into the Middle East to get the oil out of the ground for them, Islam made them too ignorant to figure that out.) And as far as Mexico and the rest of the 3rd world goes, she was disgusted with corrupt governments who refused to do what they had to, to make their country a better society for their own people.

The problem here is not US immigration law that this POTUS sees as inconvenient, purposeless, and should not be enforced. The problem here IS the geographic proximity of the 3rd world (with respect to the United States) and the 3rd world's racist/elitest attitudes towards its least educated, towards its least intelligent. The wealthy ruling classes in Mexico, Central, and South America (that didn't go communist or almost communist the way Venezuela did) want their poor to leave, right now, get the f-ck out you peasants. The wealthy of Venezuela, well, now THEY want to leave because of all the shit Hugo Chavez pulled.

[hedge]

"Ayn Rand was disgusted and horrified by communism. She was disgusted with Islam"

I wonder how she felt about christianity?

[innocentbystander]

"Ayn Rand was disgusted and horrified by communism. She was disgusted with Islam"

I wonder how she felt about christianity?

It didn't horrify her. She just felt Christians were.... ignorant.