Puterbac News Network and Political Discussion Thread

[bluetick]

Pig ankled harridan was classic Million. Agree or not, you had to get a kick out of his take on stuff.

Hope he got around to building that shitapult.

[Toemeesleather]

You're just not convincing enough people tick.......not a fox story.

The widespread economic despair is born of fundamental inconsistencies in the long economic recovery, according to the study. Over the past 4 years, for example, nearly 10 million private sector jobs were added and the U.S. has enjoyed 53 consecutive months of economic growth – the longest period of consistent job growth on record. The unemployment rate fell from 8.2 percent in March 2013 to just 6.2 percent in July.

But that growth “has been insufficient to produce enough full-time jobs for everyone who wants one,” the study notes. As of last month, nearly 9.7 million work­ers were unemployed, and many jobs that vanished during the recession paid good wages, while most growth during the recovery has been in low-wage jobs.

“Wages have increased modestly for many, but have not increased suf­ficiently to keep up with inflation,” the report stated. “Labor force participation rates are at the lowest levels in three decades. Long-term unemployment rates remain at unprecedented high levels, above pre-recession levels in over 40 states.”


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-down- ... 00307.html

[bluetick]

You're just not convincing enough people tick.......not a fox story.

The widespread economic despair is born of fundamental inconsistencies in the long economic recovery, according to the study. Over the past 4 years, for example, nearly 10 million private sector jobs were added and the U.S. has enjoyed 53 consecutive months of economic growth – the longest period of consistent job growth on record. The unemployment rate fell from 8.2 percent in March 2013 to just 6.2 percent in July. ecedented high levels, above pre-recession levels in over 40 states.”

There's no doubt a lot of mid-wage jobs have been lost since dubya's recession. Robotics and technological advances make it clear a bunch of them will never come back. It's already well established here that corporations are doing bang-up business with smaller workforces. You think the president can wave a wand and get corporate America to put back a shitload of $25/hr assembly jobs? Hell, he can't even get a raise of the federal minimum wage thanks to the repubs.

And beyond corporate America, budget cuts to state and local governments have axed a bunch of mid-level jobs. Less gubmint - your party's mantra - has been a serious job-killer. And the tanking of the U.S. housing market saw huge numbers of artisan jobs - carpentars, electiricians, painters - go begging.

Funny thing is, some of the best prospects for job growth are in green energy, which you hate with a passion (they're killing the birds for godsake- noooooo).

[Toemeesleather]

Why do you/Brock/gobblers hate cheap energy? Think less expensive gas/oil would create jobs?




...of course not...



And of course, the most lame excuse of all.....dubya's recession.

[Toemeesleather]

I guess it's dubya's fault all the kids/teachers are revolting over nothing to eat at school also....

[Toemeesleather]

The one thing He didn't lie about.....


You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.

[bluetick]

from Forbes:

The latest job report shows that total employment has finally regained its pre-recession level, the longest after any post WWII recession it has taken to gain back all the lost jobs. Yet, there are millions more people in the potential labor force by now, so we are still far short of the job numbers needed to reach the employment rate we had before (that is, employment divided by working age population).

When businesses face a decision about which of two inputs to use, they examine the relative price of inputs compared to their relative productivity. In today's economy, employers face constant decisions about whether to employ labor or capital in order to increase their output. Should they hire people or automate? Clearly, the production process has shifted, and it's not in favor of labor.

There's a blue million articles about why mid-wage jobs are disappearing. If you find a good one about how to reverse the trend, please share it.

braces for Keystone pipeline solution

[Toemeesleather]

Repeal the part-time creating machine known as Obamacare....curb the neo-nazi tactics of the EPA...stop stonewalling Keystone....just for starters.

[Toemeesleather]

Check out Wisconsin and Texas, they just might be doing something right, w/o raising taxes....close the borders(temporarily)...

[bluetick]

Repeal the part-time creating machine known as Obamacare....

Businesswise, obamacare doesn't even kick in until 2015. Yet that's your explanation for the loss of mid-wage jobs since 2007.

Sadly typical. Typically sad.

[Toemeesleather]

Beats the ever-loving-helloutta blaming Bush for 6 yrs.

[hedge]

"Check out Wisconsin and Texas, they just might be doing something right, w/o raising taxes....close the borders(temporarily)..."

I wish they would close the borders around your house...

[Toemeesleather]

esad

[innocentbystander]

There's a blue million articles about why mid-wage jobs are disappearing. If you find a good one about how to reverse the trend, please share it.

Waiting for keystone pipeline, blah-blah

The keystone pipeline IS a solution.

Almost half the people in this country have an IQ less than 100. Quite often, they can't do professional work. But they want to get married and support families. Flipping burgers doesn't pay. How do you get paid well, when the well formed work you used to do can be automated out of existance?

Well, you have to find more well formed work that we (as a society) have yet to automate. Fortunately raw capitalism is great at fleshing these industries out! Working in oil and gas is such an industry. So is coal. You know how much a truck driver makes in North Dakota working the Bakkan oil fields? And this President (and people such as yourself) have no use for these industries. You want to regulate them out of existance.

In many cases tick, doing so not only costs them their jobs, it cost them their homes and their marriages. They lose their lives because they lose their livelihood. You cost them everything by voting for certain candidates who don't see the big picture.

You (personally) don't have to go to North Dakota to find an $80,000/year job to send money home to your young wife and 3 kids. You don't have to because you are supposed to be bright. You need to go down on your knees and be thanking God (every night) for giving you the gift of intelligence. And God should be sending you signs (like listening to either me or Toem on this board) to remind you to USE IT and think things through before you make rash political decisions.

[sardis]

Obama don't give a shit about these blue collar jobs. I doubt clean energy jobs replace this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/stor ... e-fleeing/

[10ac]

Heh. He had a great insult vocabulary.

[bluetick]

I don't think Million ever made the move from worldcrashing to here. There was a lifeboat if memory serves...several people didn't make it. Or chose not to.

He had some great expressions..heh "anatomically speaking." her camel toe appeared to be cleaved by a Viking's broadaxe

[Jungle Rat]

Don't remember the guy.

[Johnette's Daddy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/opini ... .html?_r=0
(Pulitzer Prize winner Nicholas Kristof)

When Whites Just Don’t Get It

After Ferguson, Race Deserves More Attention, Not Less

MANY white Americans say they are fed up with the coverage of the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. A plurality of whites in a recent Pew survey said that the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves.

Bill O’Reilly of Fox News reflected that weariness, saying: “All you hear is grievance, grievance, grievance, money, money, money.”

Indeed, a 2011 study by scholars at Harvard and Tufts found that whites, on average, believed that anti-white racism was a bigger problem than anti-black racism.

Yes, you read that right!

So let me push back at what I see as smug white delusion. Here are a few reasons race relations deserve more attention, not less:

• The net worth of the average black household in the United States is $6,314, compared with $110,500 for the average white household, according to 2011 census data. The gap has worsened in the last decade, and the United States now has a greater wealth gap by race than South Africa did during apartheid. (Whites in America on average own almost 18 times as much as blacks; in South Africa in 1970, the ratio was about 15 times.)

• The black-white income gap is roughly 40 percent greater today than it was in 1967.

• A black boy born today in the United States has a life expectancy five years shorter than that of a white boy.

• Black students are significantly less likely to attend schools offering advanced math and science courses than white students. They are three times as likely to be suspended and expelled, setting them up for educational failure.

• Because of the catastrophic experiment in mass incarceration, black men in their 20s without a high school diploma are more likely to be incarcerated today than employed, according to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research. Nearly 70 percent of middle-aged black men who never graduated from high school have been imprisoned.

All these constitute not a black problem or a white problem, but an American problem. When so much talent is underemployed and overincarcerated, the entire country suffers.

Some straight people have gradually changed their attitudes toward gays after realizing that their friends — or children — were gay. Researchers have found that male judges are more sympathetic to women’s rights when they have daughters. Yet because of the de facto segregation of America, whites are unlikely to have many black friends: A study from the Public Religion Research Institute suggests that in a network of 100 friends, a white person, on average, has one black friend.

That’s unfortunate, because friends open our eyes. I was shaken after a well-known black woman told me about looking out her front window and seeing that police officers had her teenage son down on the ground after he had stepped out of their upscale house because they thought he was a prowler. “Thank God he didn’t run,” she said.

One black friend tells me that he freaked out when his white fiancée purchased an item in a store and promptly threw the receipt away. “What are you doing?” he protested to her. He is a highly successful and well-educated professional but would never dream of tossing a receipt for fear of being accused of shoplifting.

Some readers will protest that the stereotype is rooted in reality: Young black men are disproportionately likely to be criminals.

That’s true — and complicated. “There’s nothing more painful to me,” the Rev. Jesse Jackson once said, “than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

All this should be part of the national conversation on race, as well, and prompt a drive to help young black men end up in jobs and stable families rather than in crime or jail. We have policies with a robust record of creating opportunity: home visitation programs like Nurse-Family Partnership; early education initiatives like Educare and Head Start; programs for troubled adolescents like Youth Villages; anti-gang and anti-crime initiatives like Becoming a Man; efforts to prevent teen pregnancies like the Carrera curriculum; job training like Career Academies; and job incentives like the earned-income tax credit.

The best escalator to opportunity may be education, but that escalator is broken for black boys growing up in neighborhoods with broken schools. We fail those boys before they fail us.

So a starting point is for those of us in white America to wipe away any self-satisfaction about racial progress. Yes, the progress is real, but so are the challenges. The gaps demand a wrenching, soul-searching excavation of our national soul, and the first step is to acknowledge that the central race challenge in America today is not the suffering of whites.

[Professor Tiger]

Arctic ice cap thicker than ever:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... E-now.html