Ostensibly Hoops

[hedge]

That was pretty close. No-call would've been the best option in that situation...

[crotch]

Feel free to take another look, Hedge. Still not a charge according to the new rule or a no call. Boeheim one of my favorite coaches... have to support the guy. Make it full screen and stop the video when he starts his upward motion. Dook guy still sliding under and continues to slide gradually toawards baseline even after he's in the air. No brainer.

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[Owlman]

You ask who else would have gotten that call?? Kentucky at home. Who else? UNC at home. Kansas at home. Syracuse at home. In other words, any of the traditional powers with elite coaches. That's been the way for a long time. To act like Kentucky doesn't get a lot of home cooking from the refs is unfathomable.

[Bklyn]

Still say it wasn't spontaneous and still say if they lose a #1 seed (which doesn't mean shit, personally) it won't be because of that game and that outburst.

[eCat]

You ask who else would have gotten that call?? Kentucky at home. Who else? UNC at home. Kansas at home. Syracuse at home. In other words, any of the traditional powers with elite coaches. That's been the way for a long time. To act like Kentucky doesn't get a lot of home cooking from the refs is unfathomable.

I like how you provide a premise for me and then answer the premise in the the same post.

No, I don't think any of the traditional powers would have gotten the call because there is a clear history in college basketball over the years that unless the foul is egregious , the ref isn't going to let a call determine the outcome of the game. Its rare.

I'm sure you can find situations where a call is made but by and large , in college basketball, the last play of the game is not going to be determined by putting a kid on the free throw line or reversing a made basket.

[crotch]

You ask who else would have gotten that call?? Kentucky at home. Who else? UNC at home. Kansas at home. Syracuse at home. In other words, any of the traditional powers with elite coaches. That's been the way for a long time. To act like Kentucky doesn't get a lot of home cooking from the refs is unfathomable.

You evidently haven't followed Kentucky basketball closely over the past 15 years.. I've seen that call go against Kentucky many times in Rupp.

[eCat]

I will say that one could make an argument that 10 seconds left wasn't the last call of the game, but negating a made basket and giving the ball to the other team greatly, greatly decreases their chances - even if the ref was calculating that Duke was a horrible free throw shooting team that day.

[hedge]

"Make it full screen and stop the video when he starts his upward motion."

Still looks mighty close to me, even in slow-mo and stopping the video. In real time it's even more difficult to tell. And yes, Carolina gets that call as well on many occasions. Can't say I recall one at the end of the game like that, but theoretically it shouldn't matter when it happens. But Carolina has gotten that call plenty, although when it happens halfway thru the first half, no coach is going to go ballistic like that...

[Owlman]

I saw a foul with 11 secs left against LSU with the defensive players arms straight up with Kentucky down by two. Under Calipari (I should have included Louisville under Pitino as well), great deference is given at home to those teams. Go to a school that is not in those categories, and you see it all the time. I've laughed at this assertion that you guys don't get these advantages since I got on these boards. It just doesn't happen.

As for saying that Boeheim calculating that response, then that lowers him even more in my eyes then when I saw him crying over Patrick Ewing and John Thompson. Throwing away a game that you are in to make a point? NOT SMART.

[eCat]

From Tony Greene on the call ......


It was also interesting to hear Greene explain what was going through his mind as the pivotal sequence began. "I'm one of those guys who expects the unexpected," he said. "I knew there's not much time left, and that they were most likely going go to C.J. Fair, who's not really a three-point shooter. You figure he's going to go to the basket, so you prepare yourself. You're thinking, how am I going to adjudicate what's about to happen based on the rules?"

Think about what he says there for a moment

[crotch]

IMO, Syracuse had no shot at winning that game anyway, no matter if Boehein hadn't got the T's. The refs would have made sure of that and Boehein clearly knew that.

[crotch]

From Tony Greene on the call ......


It was also interesting to hear Greene explain what was going through his mind as the pivotal sequence began. "I'm one of those guys who expects the unexpected," he said. "I knew there's not much time left, and that they were most likely going go to C.J. Fair, who's not really a three-point shooter. You figure he's going to go to the basket, so you prepare yourself. You're thinking, how am I going to adjudicate what's about to happen based on the rules?"

Think about what he says there for a moment

Sounds like he's already made up his mind what he's gonna call before he drives to the basket.......

[hedge]

"As for saying that Boeheim calculating that response, then that lowers him even more in my eyes then when I saw him crying over Patrick Ewing and John Thompson."

Well, at least it took him 30 years to do something egregious enough to lower your opinion of him. Some folks it's like every week...

[Owlman]

That's bullshit. Up to that point, Duke had shot 7 for 17 from the line. Syracuse had been in worse situations than this and ended up winning. You foul, they miss one or two fT and then you are set up for a 3 to tie the game.

You're telling me that a coach of caliber and knowledge of Boeheim quits with 10 seconds left trailing by 2 against a poor FT shooting team?

That's worse than saying he gave up on the game to make a point.

[Owlman]

"As for saying that Boeheim calculating that response, then that lowers him even more in my eyes then when I saw him crying over Patrick Ewing and John Thompson."

Well, at least it took him 30 years to do something egregious enough to lower your opinion of him. Some folks it's like every week...

It wasn't very high before that. But I would have thought that he matured some since then.

[eCat]

From Tony Greene on the call ......


It was also interesting to hear Greene explain what was going through his mind as the pivotal sequence began. "I'm one of those guys who expects the unexpected," he said. "I knew there's not much time left, and that they were most likely going go to C.J. Fair, who's not really a three-point shooter. You figure he's going to go to the basket, so you prepare yourself. You're thinking, how am I going to adjudicate what's about to happen based on the rules?"

Think about what he says there for a moment

Sounds like he's already made up his mind what he's gonna call before he drives to the basket.......

at a minimum it sounds like he's made up his mind that he's gonna call something

[crashcourse]

that ref talks way too much

sounds like he wanted to be the star of the game instead of invisible like good refs should be

[crashcourse]

wiz?

[crotch]

That's bullshit. Up to that point, Duke had shot 7 for 17 from the line. Syracuse had been in worse situations than this and ended up winning. You foul, they miss one or two fT and then you are set up for a 3 to tie the game.

You're telling me that a coach of caliber and knowledge of Boeheim quits with 10 seconds left trailing by 2 against a poor FT shooting team?

That's worse than saying he gave up on the game to make a point.

Name me the last team, or any team for that matter, that was behind and Dook with the ball or Dook shooting FT's with 10 seconds to go in Cameron and came away with a win? Go ahead, name one. Boeheim knew this also.

[Owlman]

you speak as a quitter. Boeheim's a quitter?