Florida State Seminoles

[Jungle Rat]

How does that stop a psycho from shooting up a school? Seriously? Well, ya can't kill 19 kids that quickly with a Handgun now can ya? Did he take classes on how to use that gun? Was his background checked? Does he have to re-register his gun yearly? Was he mentally cleared to own it? Does he have a license?

Many more questions too. I'll wait for the usual he was a Mexican, or a tranny or mentally ill etc bullshit from Republicans like yourself. Well expected by now from you.

[Jungle Rat]

But the "goal" is not to just stop school shootings. It's to stop all mass shooting events. 288 so far this year. You good with that number e?

[Jungle Rat]

10 years old. 4th grade. White. Now I'm betting you're pissed.

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[aTm]

This is liberty. Bad shit happens when all people, including the crazy ones have freedom and privacy. You got two fascist alternatives to fix this. Criminalizing AR-15 aint gonna cut it, you need to criminalize all manner of deadly weapons and chemicals and install a surveillance state where Amazon Alexa catches someone like this making transactions or acting in such a way that it predicts something like this is likely to happen. Or you need some kind of surveillance apparatus who's responsibility it is to decide who the risky mentally unbalanced people are and put them away and strip them of their rights until they can prove or they are determined not to be dangerous. That's how you solve this.

The calculus is pretty bad. Option one is some little white girls die at the hands of a few random nutcase, a criminal element thrives, gangs exist, urban youth are murdered. Option two is that all of us that are privileged enough to not have any sort of mental breakdown yet, or addiction, or undesirable characteristic, or were lucky enough to be born into the ruling class and have our problems ignored by the corrupt bureaucracy all get to live in a perfect utopia where nothing bad happens except to the millions of "those other people" that don't fit those categories living in government institutional hell with no rights "just in case".

Which one we picking for the "final solution" to this problem?

[Jungle Rat]

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[innocentbystander]

How does that stop a psycho from shooting up a school? Seriously? Well, ya can't kill 19 kids that quickly with a Handgun now can ya?

You can kill 32 people very quickly with a handgun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

Did he take classes on how to use that gun? Was his background checked? Does he have to re-register his gun yearly? Was he mentally cleared to own it? Does he have a license?

Many more questions too. I'll wait for the usual he was a Mexican, or a tranny or mentally ill etc bullshit from Republicans like yourself. Well expected by now from you.

Do you need a license to vote? No. That would be unConstitutional. You have a RIGHT to vote the way you have a RIGHT to own a firearm.

The boy was sick. He was sick AND evil. He needed to be in an insane asylum. You want to stop this, write a law where judges have more power to institutionalize the mentally ill (people who may not have committed even one crime YET.) Write a law where loved ones (who may be aware of how fucked up people in their family are) are RESPONSIBLE for the actions of their family members if they do NOT turn them in to a judge BEFORE they do this kind of shit. We had DARE (Drug Awareness Resistance Education) and all that was, was kids narc-ing on their parents (which is why parents voted for politicians to end it), BUT it was effective. We need a DARE for mental illness. If your son or daughter is a little bit fucked up, get them checked out by a mental health professional before they murder people.

[innocentbystander]

This is liberty. Bad shit happens when all people, including the crazy ones have freedom and privacy. You got two fascist alternatives to fix this. Criminalizing AR-15 aint gonna cut it, you need to criminalize all manner of deadly weapons and chemicals and install a surveillance state where Amazon Alexa catches someone like this making transactions or acting in such a way that it predicts something like this is likely to happen. Or you need some kind of surveillance apparatus who's responsibility it is to decide who the risky mentally unbalanced people are and put them away and strip them of their rights until they can prove or they are determined not to be dangerous. That's how you solve this.

Correct!

The calculus is pretty bad. Option one is some little white girls die at the hands of a few random nutcase, a criminal element thrives, gangs exist, urban youth are murdered. Option two is that all of us that are privileged enough to not have any sort of mental breakdown yet, or addiction, or undesirable characteristic, or were lucky enough to be born into the ruling class and have our problems ignored by the corrupt bureaucracy all get to live in a perfect utopia where nothing bad happens except to the millions of "those other people" that don't fit those categories living in government institutional hell with no rights "just in case".

Which one we picking for the "final solution" to this problem?

I prefer option two. But hate them both. But I would rather have "final solution" number two than 14 murdered children.

[Jungle Rat]

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[hedge]

This is from like 10 years ago...

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
5/27/14 3:14PM

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prev ... 1819576527

[innocentbystander]

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Which of aTm's two "final solutions" do you pick?

[aTm]

I'm gonna go ahead and dub these "Type-I fascist" and "Type-II fascist." Thank you IB for being the first declared Type-II fascist.

[Jungle Rat]

And yes. I need my license to vote.

[aTm]

That onion article is a lie (and bad satire to boot). This happens in nations of all stripe. Not all cultures are the same, so the way a crazy person commits a heinous act might be expressed differently than the way ours are. Show me any country where there are no criminal acts, and I'll show you a country where the criminals are the government.

[innocentbystander]

I'm gonna go ahead and dub these "Type-I fascist" and "Type-II fascist." Thank you IB for being the first declared Type-II fascist.

Welcome.

[Jungle Rat]

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[aTm]

The good thing for abortion proponents in our future distopia is that I'm pretty sure the first thing our AI overlords are going to do to fight crime is make it illegal to be born poor.

[Jungle Rat]

Because remember. It's not every day an 18 year old can take an AR-15, walk into a single classroom and massacre 21 people. But yet, it is. 288 mass shootings already and it's May. Weird how the numbers started dramatically rising in 2017 huh?

[innocentbystander]

Because remember. It's not every day an 18 year old can take an AR-15, walk into a single classroom and massacre 21 people. But yet, it is. 288 mass shootings already and it's May. Weird how the numbers started dramatically rising in 2017 huh?

Weird that you don't answer other people's questions, isn't it? Weird that all you have is more questions for others, but never a willingness to answer a question?

[hedge]

That onion article is a lie (and bad satire to boot). This happens in nations of all stripe. Not all cultures are the same, so the way a crazy person commits a heinous act might be expressed differently than the way ours are. Show me any country where there are no criminal acts, and I'll show you a country where the criminals are the government.

Without looking, I'm guessing that the US has a higher murder and violent crime rate than other western/democratic countries. Just a guess though...

[Jungle Rat]

IB: Do you need a license to vote?
Rat: And yes. I need my license to vote.
IB: Weird that you don't answer other people's questions, isn't it?