Florida State Seminoles

[Saint]

Both parties miss the mark on making the vast majority of us happy, ie, financially comfortable.

[sardis]

Robot truck drivers. Fast food workers being replaced by machines. Automation is coming to just about every manual labor job and those jobs aren't coming back. This will impact our economy more that any of us realize, I believe.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-the-ro ... 00-10aac3a

It's white collar jobs, too. Artificial Intelligence, i.e. Watson will be doing everything. I'm glad I am at the end of my wealth accumulation years. I am not sure how kids coming out of college will fare long term even though they get high sought after math, financial and science degrees.

[DooKSucks]

Everything IB knows about black folks he learned from watching "Blackish".

What's funny is older black folks are often very socially conservative. The republican party has done a horrible job of courting them. Ditto hispanics. My best friend is black. He is waaaaaaaay more conservative than I am, and while that's just a single anecdotal account, it is not uncommon in my experience. To hear him talk about gay marriage, welfare, gun control, and a hundred other things, you would be convinced that you were speaking with a stalwart leader of the republicans.

Bingo

[Professor Tiger]

Same here. I was in a room with several black pastors right after the Obergfell decision. They were so angry I felt like a liberal by comparison.

[hedge]

"the African American community does not want nor will ever vote for a diminished role in the federal government applying policy across the nation and pushing for individual states to determine what is best for them."

In fairness, african americans have been on the wrong side of that model before...

[eCat]

"the African American community does not want nor will ever vote for a diminished role in the federal government applying policy across the nation and pushing for individual states to determine what is best for them."

In fairness, african americans have been on the wrong side of that model before...

They are all part of the American experience however - if the federal government creates a housing bubble, they are the most adversely affected, if the federal government creates a student loan program that results in college tuition being out of reach for the average American, they are the most adversely affected, if the American government causes health care costs to skyrocket, they are the most adversely affected, and most importantly, if the American government creates a financial crisis where unemployment spikes, they are the most adversely affected.

[hedge]

Good segment on 60 Minutes last night about how tech companies create programs and apps that condition users in such a way that they are literally brainwashed into needing to constantly be checking their smart phones. Smart indeed! I'm pretty sure there is some embedded code that also forces "smart" phone users to scoff at and deride and in some cases offer physical violence to humble flip phone devotees like myself...

[eCat]

I believe it

My kids and my wife would seriously go into some kind of withdrawal if I took those phones away from them. Fortunately for me I guess, I'm so old I keep trying to use the phone as a small computer, get pissed off at it and never want to use it ,although I will say I can't take a road trip without using Waze now. If you're not using Waze, you're missing out - but even then, I just sit the phone down in cup holder and listen to the audio guidance its provides me while I drive.

[hedge]

"If I have to pay 12 people a $15 an hour wage then I'll just buy a robotic burger maker for $100K and run that sumbitch night and day making burgers"

What happens when they make a machine that can write code for other machines? Do they already exist?

The crux of Marxism is that labor is a commodity that the laborers themselves should (ideally) control. A lot of progress was made in that area with unions and whatnot, but still, human labor was indispensable for anything to get done. A great deal of capital was devoted to acquiring labor. That's not the case now. Can you imagine anybody in the 19th century having enough free time to, as you mentioned, fuck around for hours and hours a day chit-chatting on the internet like we do? No way, it was work or die. That's just not the world we live in now. Human labor simply is not needed for things to get accomplished. The whole idea of "accomplishment" is completely different.

Now capital is a thing in itself, something that for the great most part is traded back and forth in a casino setting with no regard to labor requirements, because it simply is no longer a "requirement," not like it used to be. Ideally, we could be on the cusp of a world where life is one long Grateful Dead tour (and legal heroin), where people just move around and indulge aesthetic pursuits, but I doubt that's going to happen. People are too quarrelsome for that, although heroin would solve that problem, too...

[eCat]

Here is the bigger problem

any basic economy requires that you have consumers capable of purchasing goods.

Considering about 70% of the world lives on less than $10 a day, there isn't going to be a market for massed produced robotic goods that have displaced millions of workers.

So we'll either live in a world where GDP grows with the technological advances and human migrate into other areas of work that take advantage of that technology, or we'll all have a basic income generated from the heavily taxed system based on robot productivity and we'll live in the Wall-E world where everyone weighs 400 pounds and never gets up off their flying sofa.

[hedge]

Any basic economy that we are used to, yes...

[eCat]

where it gets crazy is automated warfare

in a sense we have that now - the ultimate automated warfare is an ICBM with a nuclear payload, but in a more conventional sense we'll have mech warriors controlled remotely or have some level of AI for fighting terrorists. We have that with drones now, and at some point a drone will have the complexity to do maneuvers that have such extreme g-forces no human could withstand them. The F-22 Raptor(not a drone) is capable of that now.

So we'll see an escalation of warfare we've never seen before (or a conversion) - where the wealthiest countries have a military capable of invading a country without ever sending a single soldier to the front line.

Hackers will be taking over planes, tanks, soldiers on the battlefield.

I don't think you'll see two super powers in a conventional warfare like that because the cost in technology would be devastating and if one every did have a clear advantage, well...nukes. The great equalizer.

[eCat]

Hell, we'll probably see autobots at some point. Weapons disguised to look like automated cargo trucks driving our interstates and then go all Optimus Prime when it reaches its intended target.

I should write a book about that now before someone else thinks of it and casts Shia LaBouffe in the movie of it to ruin it forever.

[crashcourse]

part of certain prejudices come from actions of the black race

they keep killing each other

they protest violently about law enforcement but in comparison to the population they have a very small percentage of officers because they don't apply for openings

21% of white kids are raised by single white moms with no father figure in the house
67% of black kids are raised by single black moms with no father figure in the house

13% of the population commits almost 50% of the crime

and that's is due to white racism?

[hedge]

"where it gets crazy is automated warfare"

Why not give peace a chaince?

[hedge]

"13% of the population commits almost 50% of the crime"

13% of the population certainly gets arrested for 50% of the crime...

[AlabamAlum]

part of certain prejudices come from actions of the black race

they keep killing each other

they protest violently about law enforcement but in comparison to the population they have a very small percentage of officers because they don't apply for openings

21% of white kids are raised by single white moms with no father figure in the house
67% of black kids are raised by single black moms with no father figure in the house

13% of the population commits almost 50% of the crime

and that's is do to white racism?

So, what are you saying, crash? Them thar coloreds just won't do right, will they? Look at them! Committin' all the crimes and such!!

Or, maybe, just maybe, the crime is sequelae to a century of being refused a proper education, economic equality (not just jobs), entrepreneurship, and political power - and this takes a while to overcome? Nah. Them negroes are just evil!

[eCat]

and this takes a while to overcome?

that's the question I've been asking. When is this date?

[Toemeesleather]

Crash posted post 1960's data....use 1890-1950 and numbers are pretty much reversed.

..and I believes dem coloreds had it much worse then...

[hedge]

I'm sure you'd love to go back to those days...