sardis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:28 am
Curious to hear which side of the Kirill/Bartholomew fence prof sides with nowadays. Or maybe he took the papist plunge outright.
Heh heh…
Hey Sardis! Nice to know you are still hanging around this place. I always thought you were one of the good guys around here. My compliments on your knowledge on that rarified subject.
To answer your question, I am 100% in the Bartholomew camp.
When he decided to consecrate a pro-Greek anti-Russian bishop in Ukraine, I was dubious at first. The Orthodox churches in Ukraine then came under Moscow, so Bartholomew inserting an anti-Moscow church into Ukraine was sure to lead to schism with Kirill, the leader of the largest Orthodox Church in the world, by far. I wondered what was the upside to that move.
Full disclosure - my wife is the granddaughter of immigrants from Ukraine who got out just before Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians by seizing all their food and starving the whole country to death. Nothing like a mass genocide not long ago to make Ukrainians not like Russians.
So then the Russians steal Crimea. Then they steal Luhansk, Donbas, and Zaporizha. Then they decide to go for the whole country. I expect as much from Putin, who is a first-class KGB gangster and always has been. But Putin secured the services of Kirill, the Russian Orthodox Patriarch. No surprise there; Kirill was once an active collaborator with the KGB when he was a priest on the ‘80’s. Even the Moscow Times admits this:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/02/ ... dia-a80151
He and Putin are so close that the pope rightly called Kirill “Putin’s altar boy.”
Kirill’s bishops and priest are literally blessing - with holy water - the bombs and missiles that are about to be used on his fellow Orthodox civilians in Ukraine, as well as nuclear weapons.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/r ... commission.
I guess Kirill never figured out that, when you are blessing bombs and missiles used on Ukrainian civilians, those Ukrainian civilians don’t want to go to your church anymore. Thanks to Bartholonew, the Ukrainian people now have an Orthodox church to go to that isn’t blessing bombs being dropped on them. Bartholomew’s decision to install a pro-Greek anti-Russian church in Ukraine was either a stroke of genius or divine inspiration.