The Goat Pen

That's the problem. They couldn't innovate as a communist society and became vulnerable to other cultures more advanced on technology.

The point is that real communism can and has worked. Jesus was a communist, but like the American Indian, he ran into a more technologically advanced culture...

Drop the crack pipe.

He preferred to try to flush it down the toilet.

I knew Jane Fonda visited N Vietnam in support of the VietCong, but I didn't know she called for the execution of our POWs as war criminals. What a bitch.

One of the POWs passed her a note which she turned over to the gooks.

That's treason

reading a Vietnam vets review of Burns documentary - the men who are proud of their country and the veterans who served aren't thrilled with it


"Rick White, who spent 24 months in the jungles of Vietnam, was troubled by the preview he saw of Burns’ documentary. He said, “It seemed to have two overall themes: America is bad, and Vietnam vets are victims. Both are wrong. I am proud of my service and proud of my country. Now, the agenda-driven documentary episodes have revived old and deep feelings of resentment and betrayal. All those years ago, my men were putting their life on the line for their country, for the freedom to do and say even unpopular things. But the protestors back home who exercised those freedoms didn’t seem to feel any responsibilities. They were getting my men killed by giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”"

Here's the thing - I respect those guys, anyone, drafted or volunteered to faces an enemy gun has earned the right to say whatever he wants,, he has earned lifetime benefits for health, education and his family from our taxpayers, but he wasn't fighting for our freedom of speech, he was fighting for Vietnam's freedom of speech.

I can see the logic to say Vietnam was a show of American military strength to keep aggressor nations in line, and from that you can say they were fighting for our freedom, and to make sure no Russian or Chinese invader ever stepped foot on American soil but I just have a hard time taking at face value when someone says our military men are fighting for our freedoms in a country that means nothing to us in the geopolitical world.

Vietnam meant little to the Chinese I would think other than its a coastal country. And as battleground to fight Americans I'm sure it cost them plenty.

Vets view on Burns documentary

http://thecitizen.com/2017/09/26/skepti ... am-part-2/

you're not going to take on a hot topic like Vietnam and not have critics on both sides. I do think Burns spent way too much time on what was happening in the states for protesting, but mainly because it didn't cover any new ground.

"All those years ago, my men were putting their life on the line for their country, for the freedom to do and say even unpopular things."

I guess he hasn't seen the reaction that the kneeling football players have gotten...

It's very important that we honor and respect those who fought and died for our freedoms. And the best way to do that is by silencing those who are trying to exercise those freedoms.

It seemed to have two overall themes: America is bad, and Vietnam vets are victims.

It's not that America is bad. It's just that the "America is the good guys and anyone we oppose is bad" narrative that we're given by pretty much all societal structures from birth is a load of horseshit. There are no good guys in international geopolitics. Anyone who isn't willing to exploit, enslave, and spill the blood of innocents will quickly be subjugated by those who are.

Cletus wrote:It's very important that we honor and respect those who fought and died for our freedoms. And the best way to do that is by silencing those who are trying to exercise those freedoms.

who is silencing them?

The silencing is being done by the Left.

10ac wrote:The silencing is being done by the Left.

funny, NFL knee supporters don't seemed to be outraged when protesters stop freedom of speech at Berkley

stop watching the NFL and we're the ones who don't support the first amendment.

The point is that real communism can and has worked.

Other than the fact that real communism has only led to no personal freedoms, no free press, no rule of law, police states, concentrations camps, mass starvation, and every other form of human misery, everywhere it has ever been tried, your comment is spot on. Or were you talking about college campuses, and not countries?

China only became an economic superpower when they stopped being true communists and started being capitalists.

eCat wrote:

10ac wrote:The silencing is being done by the Left.

funny, NFL knee supporters don't seemed to be outraged when protesters stop freedom of speech at Berkley

stop watching the NFL and we're the ones who don't support the first amendment.

BUT BUT ECAT!! It is hate speech!!!! Milo is a gay conservative!!! I mean who has heard of such a thing!!! He has to be some sort of racist!!! He hates fems as they stand today!!!


Also I am sure it has been seen but Tebow takes a knee (the left loses their shit, says the field isn't a good place for this, sends wrong message) but now it is fashionable that it has a hash tag and such.

Nowadays, "hate speech" means anything that liberals don't like.

I think a penchant for pedophilia had more to do with Milo's downfall than anything he might've had to say politically...

hedge wrote:I think a penchant for pedophilia had more to do with Milo's downfall than anything he might've had to say politically...

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that certainly didn't help

but that wasn't why he was protested at Berkley.

No, but he was still all over the place and finding plenty of outlets to spew his admittedly entertaining (at times) rantings. Haven't heard a peep out of him, anywhere, since his merry musings about diddling teenagers. In other words, as usually happens with attention-seeking fools, he did more to silence himself than any Berkeley protesters...