The Goat Pen

There's no border security without invading Mexica

I am gradually (reluctantly) approaching that position.

I think, Senator Kennedy has been at that position for a few years now. 3rd world nations and 1st world nations sharing a huge, unwalled, common border, it doesn't really work.

But Biden is the idiot?

Crazy he may win after everything that has transpired all these years. That dude let's everyone tell on themselves, as far as demonstrating what they really believe in. Trump is The Great Clarifier.

(I am only showing up like Haley's Comet as a proof of life. There is no telling when I will peek back in. Don't concern yourself on commenting if you think it will bother you if I don't respond)

Pussy

Dude can't read...

We should all be ashamed. Both candidates are just awful.

I wonder how many votes an independent candidate could pull simply by not being Trump or Biden, and campaigning as such…

Dave23 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:46 am We should all be ashamed. Both candidates are just awful.

I wonder how many votes an independent candidate could pull simply by not being Trump or Biden, and campaigning as such…

Ross Perot proved (in 1992) that all a competent, well spoken, genuine, intelligent, and well deserved 3rd party candidate does, is throw the election for the OTHER GUY whose voters weren't moronic enough to leave the party.

The options in 1992 were much different than the current options.

Try again.

Dave23 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:34 pm The options in 1992 were much different than the current options.

Try again.

We could only dream of having two major party candidates as capable as George HW Bush and Bill Clinton today. Sadly, neither of them (at least with their 1992 positions) would have enough steam to make it past the Iowa caucuses now thanks to idiots like Tree and IB.

Try again? No. I'm not trying anything again.

The options we have now (our current options) have received a combined 220,000,000 million votes in their career in running for POTUS. Clinton never got anything like that. Neither did Bush 41 or Perot.

Now, IMNSHO, Perot is (or should I say, was) the best of all of these men. But he never won a state, never won anything. All he ever did was serve his country honorably in the navy, sell a year's worth of IBM in the first 2 weeks of his employment, and spin up his own multi billion dollar tech company. Oh, and he hired mercenaries on his own dime and rescued his employees who were taken hostage in the middle east. That was reason enough alone to make the man not only our President, but also our KING! But the electorate was too fucking stupid to vote for someone so completely obvious as to who should be our anointed leader. So, I've kind of given up on the people of this country to make the right decisions for themselves.

Now you can try again.

Elon Musk would have the best chance as an independent against Trump and Biden. You have to have deep pockets and and endless PR like he does on Twitter.

"Don't concern yourself on commenting if you think it will bother you if I don't respond"

That reasoning never enters our minds.

Dave23 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:46 am We should all be ashamed. Both candidates are just awful.

I wonder how many votes an independent candidate could pull simply by not being Trump or Biden, and campaigning as such…

Is Kennedy not doing that? I thought he was, but I assume that the media is blacking him out to hide the fact theres an alternative to Biden running, because I havent heard anything about him for months

sardis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:57 pm Elon Musk would have the best chance as an independent against Trump and Biden. You have to have deep pockets and and endless PR like he does on Twitter.

Elon Musk is not eligible to be President.

aTm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:12 pm

sardis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:57 pm Elon Musk would have the best chance as an independent against Trump and Biden. You have to have deep pockets and and endless PR like he does on Twitter.

Elon Musk is not eligible to be President.

+5

aTm wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:11 pm

Dave23 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:46 am We should all be ashamed. Both candidates are just awful.

I wonder how many votes an independent candidate could pull simply by not being Trump or Biden, and campaigning as such…

Is Kennedy not doing that? I thought he was, but I assume that the media is blacking him out to hide the fact theres an alternative to Biden running

Yes.

The democrats do not want a repeat of 1980 when so much of Jimmy Carter's efforts were in stopping Ted Kennedy from taking the party nomination from him. So the DNC undermines and blacklists any and all primary opponents to a sitting democrat President. Standard Operating Procedure.

Next up to receive some of our lovely and amazing freedom bombs…….Ecuador.

Great strategy, Marg. You keep right on with that...