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Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:00 pm
by Professor Tiger
Gee, Cletus. I’ve often disagreed with you, but I never pegged you as a racist.

But now, reading your spewing hatred of black people, and calling them “poor, ignorant and superstitious,” here in 2017, is shocking, unsustainable, and not okay. I thought white supremacists like you were mostly hiding in secret Klan meetings or Nazi gatherings. But here you are, preaching your vile hate speech against black people on the internet for the whole world to see. I bet you have a Confederate flag on the wall of your living room. Check your white privelege, you goose-stepping reactionary bigot.

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:35 pm
by hedge
"Don't worry, Prof, there will always be poor, ignorant, superstitious people out there to latch on to religion as a last gasp for some hope."

And there will always be people like Prof waiting to exploit and take advantage of them. Perversely enough, they call this "christian love'...

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:37 pm
by hedge
Christianity is worse than slavery...

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:53 pm
by Professor Tiger
You’d have to ask Cletus about that. He’s in favor of slavery.

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:50 pm
by Professor Tiger

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:13 pm
by Tree
Is this an actual theology thread? Just finished Bart Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist". Pretty good read and I came away feeling like he hit his general premises out of the ballpark. Almost all of the actual PhD's who have been studying this stuff for decades agree that Jesus did exist and when you apply the rigors and tools of history in a scholarly manner, there is sufficient evidence to suggest he was an apocalyptic Jewish preacher who traveled the backwoods regions of 1st century Palestine, recruited the poor, sick, and downtrodden to his brand of Judaism, and was ultimately crucified for sedition against the state. It's all about multiple independent sources that corroborate but not collaborate. He never claimed to be the "Son of God" or even a divine being, but within a century of his death folks did start saying and thinking that. He did claim the end times would occur in his lifetime and that he would become the earthly ruler of the kingdom of God. Mathew 25:31-40 regarding works getting you into heaven, per the criterion of dissimilarity, was something the real Jesus probably did preach.

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:31 pm
by hedge
"He did claim the end times would occur in his lifetime and that he would become the earthly ruler of the kingdom of God. "

That's more of less what Charles Manson was peddling. Coincidence?

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:16 pm
by Tree
hedge wrote:"He did claim the end times would occur in his lifetime and that he would become the earthly ruler of the kingdom of God. "

That's more of less what Charles Manson was peddling. Coincidence?


I was thinking more along the lines of Johnny Cash, but you do you.

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:48 pm
by Professor Tiger
"He did claim the end times would occur in his lifetime and that he would become the earthly ruler of the kingdom of God. "


Incorrect:

John 18:36 New King James Version (NKJV)

36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:35 am
by Tree
Professor Tiger wrote:
"He did claim the end times would occur in his lifetime and that he would become the earthly ruler of the kingdom of God. "


Incorrect:

John 18:36 New King James Version (NKJV)

36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.


Okay. Now you just need to find multiple independent sources that corroborate that bit of text. Take your time. I'll check back in a week or two and we'll see what you come up with.

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:59 am
by hedge
Debates over religious minutia is so satisfying b/c you can be assured that a definitive answer will be discovered and agreed upon by all parties. The parties of god being so reasonable, you know...

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:41 pm
by Professor Tiger
At least I can point to SOME 1st-2nd century text to support the proposition that Jesus did not seek an earthly kingdom.

What early text can you cite that says otherwise? Maybe Clement of Rome? Josephus? Trajan? Polycarp? Tatian? Who you got?

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:22 pm
by hedge
Whether earthly or otherwise, the idea of ruling some realm is implicit. The desire of the rabble to revenge themselves of the perceived wrongs they had received (somebody has to be blamed for their miserable condition) and to usurp the wrongdoers is the cornerstone of christian theology. Evidently a few of the early promulgators of this new philosophy weren't so utterly stupid as to not realize that their chances to rule on this earth were minimal at best, so they invented a new realm where they could at least fantasize about finally being in a position of power...

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:49 pm
by Professor Tiger
Help me understand your position: Was early Christianity just miserable rabble with no chance to rule anything on earth, but then morphed into some giant international theocratic monster that has been terrorizing the whole world ever since?

Re: Prof Tiger & Sardis "All Things Considered" Theology Hut

PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:18 pm
by hedge
Pretty much. The only thing you got wrong, much to your chagrin, I'm sure, is the "ever since" part. The first several centuries were spent getting enough followers to have a viable organization before it really could do anything. Then the next several centuries were spent consolidating those gains. Then came the golden era of christian terror, the early part of the 2nd millennium on thru the end of the middle ages. Of course I'm speaking of the catholic church here, but brutal one-two punch of Martin Luther and Henry VIII signaled the beginning of the end of their reign of terror. A couple of centuries of more or less constant war, which they decisively lost, was capped with the founding of America, a decidedly non-catholic country which, after about 150 year would prove a secular cultural power that would (and has) rendered the church more or less moot. Like most world historic power structures, it took a long to establish and a long time to diminish, but diminish it has and will continue to. So yeah, you got the "giant theocratic monster" part right, but the idea that the church has anything like the power and influence it once enjoyed is a joke. Even a rube like you recognizes that...